re: Les has turned LSU I to an NFL factory

^ ok.......

You do realize the goal for these young men is to get to the NFL.... If they can win a title while in college, awesome. But it's about getting to the neck level.

And a lot of people don't like hearing that.

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The championships are leaving with the early exits by the players. I couldn't give two shits about the NFL, I would rather see the players fight for LSU and stay to compete and win championships.

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Oh joy, you are one of those people.

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Tiger_n_ATL

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I don't often agree with you, but I think you're dead on with this one.

Imagine what we would have done last year with Eric Reid and Kevin Minter...

Imagine what we could do next year with Hill, Landry, and Beckham....

It's a hard measurement to gauge because we haven't had many offensive players get drafted, and aside from last year, there hasn't been much of a dropoff in production on the defense since Chief has been here...

I think you'd have to go back to 2008 to see a clear example of the draft REALLY hurting our team... LSU is good for the "next man up" in that respect.

However, experienced talent always trumps raw talent.

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The championships are leaving with the early exits by the players... I would rather see the players fight for LSU and stay to compete and win championships.

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This is the exact truth. Which means, IMO, Les Miles in his lust to keep the NFL machine oiled, has to coach "not to lose" (which while we're winning 10 or so games a year, explains why a lot of Tiger games of the recent past are neither pretty nor fun to watch). Can Tiger fans remember when LSU games were almost always fun to watch? Even under Les Miles, before the new early departure pattern had fully set in, LSU games had been fun to watch. And stadium clear-outs by fans hadn't become a noticeable problem.

Again IMO, there is a big difference between teams where the bulk of skilled players stay the course for most or all of their eligibility, and fight for championships, and those which are continually in a deficit mode (no matter how good recruiting may be) due to the emerging pattern of large numbers of skilled team leadership absenting themselves early for the NFL.

Despite what some may say here, or want to believe, this early migration to the NFL is not the norm on every team, and IMO, not on championship teams.

There is also a big difference between the coaching "not to lose" philosophy and the coaching to win philosophy.

So is there a lesson to be learned? Maybe.

I realize we're talking LSU football, and the following is about soccer, but the recently-sacked Manchester United soccer coach, David Moyes, was critiqued for just this style...

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Changed United's attacking style and mentality. United's philosophy under Fergie was always to go out and attack the opposition. Fergie did not worry too much about the negating the opposition's strengths because he knew his side were better. Moyes did not continue this and United under him lacked confidence and conviction. United under him seemed content to try and contain teams. His approach was too conservative and smacked of a manager out of his depth.

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LINK - AND - LINK 1A

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Moyes's approach was not to lose rather than try to win.

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The championships are leaving with the early exits by the players. I couldn't give two shits about the NFL, I would rather see the players fight for LSU and stay to compete and win championships.

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One more time I swear...