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re: Snowden and Putin really throwing it down on us now.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 12:43 pm to Mo Jeaux
Posted on 4/17/14 at 12:43 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Well, if that's your standard, what can anyone say?
The laws that you claim have been trampled?
Where are the lawsuits, victims?
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You're apparently comfortable with any government action as long as the government tells you it's for your own good.
No, I make a case by case decision on the actions beign discussed. I'm not for any illegal action taking place.
This post was edited on 4/17/14 at 12:46 pm
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Posted on 4/17/14 at 12:57 pm to Oenophile Brah
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Oenophile Brah
I am glad he broke the news that the government was spying on us. Were they breaking the law? I do not know nor care, it was wrong. What Sno did was right and good, even if illegal.
Our government embarrassed us when they acted in such a way that we could be embarrassed with a simple comparison between us and Russia.
Why are the sno haters not standing up to this comparison and owning it, declaring loudly and proudly that we are a better nation because of our spying on our own? Why is it an embarrassment?
Posted on 4/17/14 at 12:58 pm to Oenophile Brah
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Where are the lawsuits, victims?
Umm... I don't know... Everywhere? Just because you agree with it doesn't mean you are not a victim of it.
As for the lawsuits, they go the same way that those people I referred to earlier did when Snowden notified his superiors and coworkers. Nobody wants a piece of the big bad scary government because they can RUIN you and your family for GENERATIONS.
Hell, look at the Bundy Ranch shite going on, along with other situatuions with the BLM(like along the Red River). Not the situations surounding them (i.e. the citizen stand-off. If the people constantly allow the government to do as it pleases regardless of the citizens inputs, the animal will never be controlled.
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I'm not for any illegal action taking place
That doesn't align with what is happening vs what your opinion on the situation is. Laws ARE being violated. The government is picking and choosing where they want to enforce them, and where they want to enforce them tends to be only in situations where they stand to gain substantial power over the citizens.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:04 pm to Oenophile Brah
quote:NSA broke privacy rules
The National Security Agency has broken privacy rules or overstepped its legal authority thousands of times each year since Congress granted the agency broad new powers in 2008, according to an internal audit and other top-secret documents.
You know, a big problem I have with all of this is the insidious nature of these laws presumably passed "to protect us" from these great harms. For instance, The Patriot Act. President Obama campaigned against the Patriot Act that gave the Government broad surveillance powers. Then in 2011, he signed a 2 year extension of the Patriot Act. But he wasn't done yet. In 2012, he signed the NDAA which, among other things, permits the military to detain individuals indefinitely without trial.
These things don't pass the sniff test with me. I'm not breaking any laws that I can think of, but I don't like the fact that my privacy is being encroached upon "for my safety" or the fact that it is perfectly lawful for the military to detain individuals indefinitely. Just doesn't seem like the same America I grew up in.
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