re: Spin off: Name me some realistic mid-late rnd centers that we could possibly nab

I'm not normally biased against/for schools either... but something about USC and both offensive/defensive linemen does not seem to work out for us. When they drafted Ellis I knew he was going to fall flat, but a lot of teams got burned by the 'roided-up stable of Pete Carroll's USC team. The players get drafted, quit using PEDs, and then magically start to suck. It's like magic!

To be honest though I think Martin will be pretty good in the NFL, but the issue with PAC12 linemen (both Offensive and Defensive) is there is not much emphasis on that position in that conference. SEC is all about the big guys up front, and by the time they get to the NFL they are either greatly experienced and transition or their knees are shot from playing in the bedlam.