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re: Saints Talk Draft Project: The Dirty Dozen for #27

Posted on 3/31/14 at 8:54 am to
Posted by bonethug0108
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Posted on 3/31/14 at 8:54 am to
I think a good example of what we're both talking about is Vaccaro vs. Mathieu.

The value was certainly much better for Mathieu in the third than Vaccaro in the first. Vaccaro is the better player, but it's not like he's far and away better.

So who would you rather have? There are a ton of other factors that have to be looked at, such as who gets drafted instead and who we don't draft, if Mathieu would be a better or worse scheme fit, how is the player in the locker room, and what is the long term ceiling for each player.

So let's say that Cooks or Beckham are Vaccaro and Moncrief or Matthews is Mathieu. You get one of the first two in the first or one of the second two in the second.

The first two are going to be all pro by their third year and the second two are going to be borderline pro bowl.

Yes you get better value one the second two, but you get better players on the first two.

This isn't a clear cut answer. I'd be happy with the results either way.
Posted by blueslover
deeper than deep south
Member since Sep 2007
22792 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 9:28 am to
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There are a ton of other factors that have to be looked at, such as who gets drafted instead and who we don't draft, if Mathieu would be a better or worse scheme fit, how is the player in the locker room, and what is the long term ceiling for each player.

So let's say that Cooks or Beckham are Vaccaro and Moncrief or Matthews is Mathieu. You get one of the first two in the first or one of the second two in the second.


I think this actually might be the answer in debating with LE.

Back on the size issue... another example might be Cooks vs. Benjamin. Every team has to have one ranked ahead of the other. It is the difference in value that is indeed the trump card. Like this- if they were both available you might have Cooks ranked slightly higher. But if a team goal was to get a big bodied guy you might select Benjamin over Cooks even though you rated him higher. Say that is the plan (big body) but Benjamin is gone. If Moncrief is your next rated big body type. His value is likely not close enough to select him over Cooks.

Value + Need + Scheme Fit

Last year we thought pass rusher was THE need. That's why ST wanted Jarvis Jones a couple of players before Vaccaro. Vaccaro and Jones both fell into the same value range. The Saints might have even had Jones ranked higher. They obviously thought the need and scheme fit was better with Vaccaro- and they were right!

We think they'll look for a WR in the draft but the degree to which they weigh that could be different than how we see it altogether (like Jones/Vaccaro).
Posted by Melvin
Member since Apr 2011
23535 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 9:29 am to
I want us to take a wr in the first if one of the top guys are still available but I'd also be fine with addressing another position and waiting till the 2nd since the position is so deep. I just really want us to address wr in one of the first 2 rounds though. I just feel like it's become an obvious need, and there are so many talented ones that we shouldn't pass this up.
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