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re: Saints Talk Draft Project: The Dirty Dozen for #27
Posted on 3/29/14 at 2:45 pm to bonethug0108
Posted on 3/29/14 at 2:45 pm to bonethug0108
First, Seattle has something we don't which was huge for them..Marshawn Lynch. None of our RBs come even close to that. Kind of like our passing game in recent years is equivalent to their running game, and vice versa. They have stud(s) at their respective unit and so do we, and the other unit it made up of misfit toys more or less. Seattle never really relied on the passing game because that wasn't who they were.
The only teams Seattle played last year with a secondary remotely equivalent to Seattle's were the Cardinals and 49ers. In the 5 games they played against those teams Wilson threw a whopping 25 times a game for 177 yards and a 54% completion percentage, but in those same games Seatlle averaged 30 rushes for 122 yards and 1 TD per game...that's not gonna fly for the Saints, that's just not the way they play football. I think you could argue Seattle won the SB IN SPITE of their WR core.
I really do think Seattle's WRs are the anomaly, that's not something teams should strive to copy for because Seattle had such an exceptional run game and defense it masked it. And I know your point about a WR like D. Thomas falling to 26 Bur you don't know. If I'm not mistaken he was taken in the 20s of his draft. You also kinda discredited your own point about needing speed and not size to beat teams like Seattle when you went on to say Thomas was the only Denver WR who played well. What about Welker? I think you're underestimating Seattles speed at all levels of the defense, that's why they were so good. They protected the field endzone to endzone, sideline to sideline better than any team in football. I don't think speed is the answer, because if you make one guys miss, there's a few more a couple of yards away waiting, usually.
I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree, but I definitely see yalls point. I personally would just rather a big, physical threat who can exchange blows with these bigger corners and safeties and come out on top.
The only teams Seattle played last year with a secondary remotely equivalent to Seattle's were the Cardinals and 49ers. In the 5 games they played against those teams Wilson threw a whopping 25 times a game for 177 yards and a 54% completion percentage, but in those same games Seatlle averaged 30 rushes for 122 yards and 1 TD per game...that's not gonna fly for the Saints, that's just not the way they play football. I think you could argue Seattle won the SB IN SPITE of their WR core.
I really do think Seattle's WRs are the anomaly, that's not something teams should strive to copy for because Seattle had such an exceptional run game and defense it masked it. And I know your point about a WR like D. Thomas falling to 26 Bur you don't know. If I'm not mistaken he was taken in the 20s of his draft. You also kinda discredited your own point about needing speed and not size to beat teams like Seattle when you went on to say Thomas was the only Denver WR who played well. What about Welker? I think you're underestimating Seattles speed at all levels of the defense, that's why they were so good. They protected the field endzone to endzone, sideline to sideline better than any team in football. I don't think speed is the answer, because if you make one guys miss, there's a few more a couple of yards away waiting, usually.
I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree, but I definitely see yalls point. I personally would just rather a big, physical threat who can exchange blows with these bigger corners and safeties and come out on top.
Posted on 3/29/14 at 6:44 pm to PurpleDrank18
quote:Welker was the only other receiver to get more than 4 catches(he had 8). Same as with us, they seemed to let one guy run wild(Colston) but made sure to shut everyone else down.
What about Welker?
And D. Thomas was thrown at 18 times but caught only 13 so it's not a great %. They shut Decker and Graham down and Julius Thomas barely made a dent yardage wise(with only 4 catches to boot).
Most of the guys beating them were the faster guys(D. Thomas is fast too, not just big).
Look at what they did to Vernon Davis who is a big body(also fast). Boldin and Crabtree were the only receivers even having a little success against them in the championship game.
It's amazing what Colston actually did against them and I think it was due to them focusing on taking Graham and Stills out of the game.
So size alone is not going to beat Seattle. Manning and the amazing year they were having managed 20 catches on 31 targets(65%) to his big targets, while having 14 catches on 18 targets(78%) to his smaller guys.
13 of those 20 went to D. Thomas. They chose to let him run free while trying to shut down the other guys. And if you count him in with the speed guys(which he is) the numbers skew even greater: 27 catches on 36 targets for 75%. That leaves the other side with 7 catches on 13 targets for 54%.
Size is not going to beat them. They'll let one big guy beat them and shut down the rest. You need speed to keep them from holding. Separation is absolute key.
All that said, size or speed or some combination doesn't matter with the draft. You take the BPA no matter who it is.
This post was edited on 3/29/14 at 6:45 pm
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