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re: Jimmy Graham might smash Franchise Tag rules
Posted on 2/18/14 at 10:18 am to Jcorye1
Posted on 2/18/14 at 10:18 am to Jcorye1
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Nobody is giving you two first picks for a franchised Jimmy Graham that apparently wants big time WR money.
I'm okay with potentially trading Jimmy Graham but it is amazing how much people think the Saints will get in exchange for a TE who isn't great at blocking, has had injury concerns (wrist and foot injuries the past two years), and wants to be paid 10+ mil/year.
To put it in perspective, Brandon Marshall was traded for 2 3rd round picks (yes, I know there were other issues). Darrelle Revis was only a 1st and a 3rd. The only way the Saints get 2 1sts is if they can find a moron GM with lots of cap space.
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Posted on 2/18/14 at 10:19 am to Byron Bojangles III
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According to ESPN Stats & Information, Graham was one of 11 tight ends in the NFL last year who lined up more than 50 percent of the time at those traditional receiver positions. Only three of them were full-time starters. But the other two were Atlanta's Tony Gonzalez (67 percent) and San Diego's Antonio Gates (52 percent) -- which is noteworthy since those two players have always been considered as tight ends for the purposes of determining franchise-tag salaries.
This is jcore's only argument for allowing him to be a WR for contract purposes though. And he said he's positive that the NFL will make him a WR and then he is going to laugh at us.
Regardless of what happens, it is going to be interesting.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 10:19 am to JJ27
I give two fricks where he lines up. This is ridiculous. He's a freaking TE. I don't blame him for trying but I take any of the top 5 WRs in the league over him without question. He's great for a TE but not as a WR, where his stats are pretty good at best. He prospered because of the Saints offense.
This post was edited on 2/18/14 at 10:22 am
Posted on 2/18/14 at 10:21 am to bbrownso
Oakland - 58mil under the cap.
Jacksonville - 43mil under the cap.
GB - 23mil under the cap.
there's a lot of teams with room and needs at TE/playmaking positions.
Non-exclusive franchise tag. someone offers him a contract, we don't match, and 2 1st rounders
Jacksonville - 43mil under the cap.
GB - 23mil under the cap.
there's a lot of teams with room and needs at TE/playmaking positions.
Non-exclusive franchise tag. someone offers him a contract, we don't match, and 2 1st rounders
Posted on 2/18/14 at 10:33 am to BuccWildBammer
Here is my biased stance on why Graham won't get WR money if tagged.
The position you play has noothing to do with where you line up on the field. In 2009 (I think) most of Zach Strief's playing time came in when he was an extra tackle reporting as an eligible receiver, so most of his playing time was at a TE spot. That doesn't mean he was playing TE, he was a tackle lined up in a different spot on the field to gain an advantage. Jimmy is a TE that is moved around the formation to gain an advantage, but no matter where he is lined up he is playing TE.
If you are going to start splitting hairs like this you will run into problems. How is it distinguished if a TE or WR lines up in the backfield? are they a RB that play? are the X, Y, and Z receivers different positions? Is there a difference in right and left guards or tackles?
I think the Saints will follow a similar line of thought and make a good case to the NFL.
Edited TE to WR
The position you play has noothing to do with where you line up on the field. In 2009 (I think) most of Zach Strief's playing time came in when he was an extra tackle reporting as an eligible receiver, so most of his playing time was at a TE spot. That doesn't mean he was playing TE, he was a tackle lined up in a different spot on the field to gain an advantage. Jimmy is a TE that is moved around the formation to gain an advantage, but no matter where he is lined up he is playing TE.
If you are going to start splitting hairs like this you will run into problems. How is it distinguished if a TE or WR lines up in the backfield? are they a RB that play? are the X, Y, and Z receivers different positions? Is there a difference in right and left guards or tackles?
I think the Saints will follow a similar line of thought and make a good case to the NFL.
Edited TE to WR
This post was edited on 2/18/14 at 10:59 am
Posted on 2/18/14 at 10:35 am to htran90
Damn I wish al Davis was still alive.
Saints could get 2 1st rounders and a 3rd or 4th.
Saints could get 2 1st rounders and a 3rd or 4th.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 10:41 am to Philip J. Fry
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Here is my biased stance on why Graham won't get TE money if tagged.
Reading your post I think you mean he won't get WR money.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 11:10 am to Rand AlThor
this is going to hurt the saints big time down the road.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 11:13 am to Maximus
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Brees contract already crippled us
That's looking like a bargain these days imo
Posted on 2/18/14 at 11:13 am to PurpleAndGold86
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but for money let's say he is a WR because he lines up as a WR in the formation more than 50% of the time
Dont get mad at the people saying this.
Get mad at the CBA that the players and owners agreed to that explicitly states that this is the case
Posted on 2/18/14 at 11:15 am to Philip J. Fry
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Is there a difference in right and left guards or tackles
Currently in the CBA, there isnt.
But there should be. Theres a world of difference of value between a Right and Left tackle and of a Tackle an a guard
Its a joke that all lineman get shoved in the same category
Posted on 2/18/14 at 11:21 am to bbrownso
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To put it in perspective, Brandon Marshall was traded for 2 3rd round picks (yes, I know there were other issues). Darrelle Revis was only a 1st and a 3rd. The only way the Saints get 2 1sts is if they can find a moron GM with lots of cap space.
Fans are usually insanely irrational when it comes to trades.
"Mark Ingram? You can get ATLEAST a 2nd rounder!"
"That random guy were about to cut? I dont see any reason we cant get a 5th!"
Etc, etc.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 11:27 am to wildtigercat93
Ingram for a 2nd wasn't too far-fetched considering Richardson went for a 1st
their production was about the same before Ingram improved this year.
their production was about the same before Ingram improved this year.
This post was edited on 2/18/14 at 11:28 am
Posted on 2/18/14 at 11:29 am to htran90
Richardson ran for 1300 yards i believe the year prior behind in a terrible offense.
I dont think he was worth that but hes shown far more in that one season than Ingram ever has
I dont think he was worth that but hes shown far more in that one season than Ingram ever has
This post was edited on 2/18/14 at 11:31 am
Posted on 2/18/14 at 11:30 am to wildtigercat93
Don't argue based on what the CBA actually says, argue what would be best for the Saints!!!
This post was edited on 2/18/14 at 11:32 am
Posted on 2/18/14 at 11:33 am to Jcorye1
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Don't argue based on what the CBA actually says, argue what would be best for the Saints!!!
Exactly
Any way we can retroactively place Aquib Talib as another position? Would be nice to cut that franchise tag number in half
Posted on 2/18/14 at 11:38 am to wildtigercat93
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Dont get mad at the people saying this. Get mad at the CBA that the players and owners agreed to that explicitly states that this is the case
I couldn't care less what happens one way or another. I'll be happy if the Saints have Graham, but I won't lose a minute of sleep if they don't. I also don't care if he is on the field next year making 15 million.
He should be the highest paid TE in the game. That puts his salary in the 9-10 million range. That doesn't change the fact that he is a TE, not a WR. I think this is all just a bunch of smoke from both sides. I think the chances are good that they will come to a deal before it comes to that and it will be somewhere between the 2 numbers, closer to the 11.6. He will be the highest paid TE in the NFL next year.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 11:38 am to Moustache
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Colston is faster than Graham.
Colston ran a 4.5 7 years ago. Before his injuries. Jimmy runs a 4.5 now. He's not faster than Jimmy so stop saying it.
Posted on 2/18/14 at 11:41 am to PurpleAndGold86
So because you think it's smoke and mirrors makes Jimmys argument null and void?
Posted on 2/18/14 at 11:50 am to Jcorye1
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So because you think it's smoke and mirrors makes Jimmys argument null and void?
You seemed like you would actually be someone worth discussing something with, now you're coming across as a whiny bitch. What I said isn't hard to comprehend.
Jimmy Graham is a TE. I don't care how much you knight for him, he is not a WR. Obviously, Jimmy and his camp are going to make any argument they can to get the most money for him. Obviously the Saints are going to try to pay him the least amount of money they can. It is a business. I think they will come to terms somewhere in the middle. He should be the highest paid TE in the game and I think he will be. That does not make him a WR.
What is it that you don't understand about that?
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