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re: Replacing Social Welfare Programs with a Min Income Payment

Posted on 1/5/14 at 11:43 am to
Posted by 90proofprofessional
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Posted on 1/5/14 at 11:43 am to
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that's an insanely difficult standard for actual living human beings and actual societies

sure looks that way doesn't it? it's because post-scarcity is far away
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we produce more than enough...way more than enough. hell the world's population keeps doubling and people keep living longer...and fewer people are starving to death than ever

is scarcity a problem, or is there enough to satisfy everyone's desires at a price everyone can afford? or are you using some different definition of scarcity?

eta here's the definition i work off of: LINK

it's the economic definition, as that's the context of the thread.

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The basic economic problem that arises because people have unlimited wants but resources are limited. Because of scarcity, various economic decisions must be made to allocate resources efficiently.
This post was edited on 1/5/14 at 11:46 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 1/5/14 at 11:46 am to
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sure looks that way doesn't it? it's because post-scarcity is far away

assuming we don't run out of petro, it's essentially 40-50 years away. i mean it pretty much exists now, but it's going to increase exponentially along with technology

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is scarcity a problem, or is there enough to satisfy everyone's desires at a price everyone can afford?

how else could our population keep doubling while we live longer than ever and fewer people are in poverty/are starving?

of course there is a theoretical limit to what the Earth can produce, but populations will be self-regulating (wars, starvation, etc) in response. the standard of "infinite population" is ridiculous and ignores how societies/people actually work
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