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re: The "Dark Ages" of LSU Football
Posted on 1/5/14 at 11:04 am to HubbaBubba
Posted on 1/5/14 at 11:04 am to HubbaBubba
Archer took us in to the dark ages. With his departure, the program was in such a bad spot, neither dinardo or hallman could pull us out.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 11:09 am to T
CFB is constantly changing. There is no LSU way, Bama way, Michigan way, anymore. It's all about one thing, winning at whatever it takes. Throw out all the old stuff.
The Fence will cease to exist here and every other state that thinks they have a Fence. Just like 20 years ago if you wanted something and the local store didn't have it, you just didn't get it or waited to go to Houston or Dallas to get it.
Now with Internet commerce, you can live in Podunk, and get it delivered to your front door. It's a national thing and you shop nationwide for anything you want.
CFB heading that way quickly. It's all about star power and media and money. If you don't recruit nationally you will wither on the vine. It's that simple.
LSU - right now - is a serious national brand. But this Fence attitude keeps us from going far and wide to get talent. You can now see what depending on LA talent alone can do to you.
I'm a believer that OOS will be what will keep LSU relevant for years to come. But that's my opinion....
The Fence will cease to exist here and every other state that thinks they have a Fence. Just like 20 years ago if you wanted something and the local store didn't have it, you just didn't get it or waited to go to Houston or Dallas to get it.
Now with Internet commerce, you can live in Podunk, and get it delivered to your front door. It's a national thing and you shop nationwide for anything you want.
CFB heading that way quickly. It's all about star power and media and money. If you don't recruit nationally you will wither on the vine. It's that simple.
LSU - right now - is a serious national brand. But this Fence attitude keeps us from going far and wide to get talent. You can now see what depending on LA talent alone can do to you.
I'm a believer that OOS will be what will keep LSU relevant for years to come. But that's my opinion....
Posted on 1/5/14 at 11:11 am to HubbaBubba
Poor Cholly, he never had a chance against the Bear. Alabama would run out on the field, same place as today, and eventually the Bear would come slithering out. He would stride slowly to the goal post where LSU ran under, lean against one of the post, cross his legs, and just watch as his team went thru their pre game routine. He never said boo to anyone unless one of the opposing coaches would come up to shake his hand or say hi. He knew LSU was about to get their asses handed to them. His hound tooth hat was always pulled slightly down over his forehead as not to allow anyone to see him completely. He was a legend. Bottom line, Cholly was a damn good coach, just could not get to the Bear.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 11:24 am to MetTiger
i remember going to camp at lsu from 89-91, didnt make 92 cause of a spring training injury.
i remember 2-9. i remember a campus that isnt anything close to what it is now.
in 1989 i remember #7 LSU getting beat by frickin vandy in week 4 (i think) and it didnt get better until dinardo.
i remember hallman, (who i got to know a little, got a couple letters, birthday card, etc), and that blown lead against auburn (the jamie howard int game) and a narrow loss to fsu as games that might have put us over the hump. i remember the upset at bama in 93. that was probably the high point. that was my freshman year. that was also a time when hbcus were still somewhat relative and a few good players actually went to em, lol.
when dinardo showed up, he immediately put us over the hump. hes the one that got the ball rollin, and if he had kept carl reese from going to texas to join mack brown, we might be talking about dinardo instead of miles and saban. his relationship with tepper ruined him at lsu. scholarship limit was reduced even firther in 96 to 85 limit. bama was falling and dinardo didnt even try to keep carl reese.
dinardo woulda kept winning right through the mark emmert era.
i remember 2-9. i remember a campus that isnt anything close to what it is now.
in 1989 i remember #7 LSU getting beat by frickin vandy in week 4 (i think) and it didnt get better until dinardo.
i remember hallman, (who i got to know a little, got a couple letters, birthday card, etc), and that blown lead against auburn (the jamie howard int game) and a narrow loss to fsu as games that might have put us over the hump. i remember the upset at bama in 93. that was probably the high point. that was my freshman year. that was also a time when hbcus were still somewhat relative and a few good players actually went to em, lol.
when dinardo showed up, he immediately put us over the hump. hes the one that got the ball rollin, and if he had kept carl reese from going to texas to join mack brown, we might be talking about dinardo instead of miles and saban. his relationship with tepper ruined him at lsu. scholarship limit was reduced even firther in 96 to 85 limit. bama was falling and dinardo didnt even try to keep carl reese.
dinardo woulda kept winning right through the mark emmert era.
This post was edited on 1/5/14 at 11:27 am
Posted on 1/5/14 at 11:39 am to More&Les
LSU has been declining for 9 years now, like clock work."
Better check your clock. 4 ten win seasons, An SEC title, and a NC are not a decline.
Better check your clock. 4 ten win seasons, An SEC title, and a NC are not a decline.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 12:09 pm to danfraz
quote:
LSU was fricking cheap. Didn't invest in any infrastructure, coaches, anything. Run like a mom and pop business. Didn't invest in the product and it showed. Even with Gerry D, LSU went cheap. Too much political BS was involved as well.
Yep- You nailed it! Luckily, we have finally learned to be Big Time, you have to invest $$ as well. It is after all, a big business. There will always be some politics involved (we are talking La.!) but at least common sense has finally prevailed and we have stayed at or near the top consistently.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 12:17 pm to Tiger in Texas
Firing Mack was step one of heading to the Dark Ages. People wanted him to be successful, instead of going 8-3 every year... only to find out going 8-3 every year IS being successful. LSU could have improved after firing Mack and hiring Rein... but that plane crash changed everything and lead to the series of substitute teachers running the program in to the ground.
But Hallman is a special level of terrible.
But Hallman is a special level of terrible.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 12:21 pm to Rouge
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We never get to our heights now without Dinardo. He laid the foundation
Dunno, 1999 may have been the most frustrating season I remember. Sadly, there was talent there.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 1:23 pm to RogerTheShrubber
The problem at LSU was LSU plain and simple...
you had a group of older alumina who had friends and these groups wanted more control.
Bob was a step in the right direction, but he had stepped on to many of the "good ole boys" piece of the pie.
Bill was never going to stay at LSU in any way even if he got the AD job, be would bolt to any opening in Florida in a heartbeat.
"Bo" was a heartbreak at the time to lose an up and coming young coach. Stovall was a God sent to have in the wings to take over on short notice.
Joe Dean loved LSU and no one would talk up LSU at any event he appeared at, but love for and the doing the real work to improve the athletic department are two horses of a different color. Joe was entrenched and friends with far to many of the good ole boys network. Everyone was wanting a piece of the pie and cuts were made and it cost LSU more than a few million a year to low ball hires.
The cause of the nightmare in LSU football has more to due with the talent level in state being way down for near 5 years due to prop 48.
Curly Hallman? Where did that come from.....I think our board was asleep at the wheel with that hire and Hallman was far to busy with off field actives to worry to much with running the team and program. But Dean and the board saw and heard this first hand, we the fans got it second hand from those in the football office; was anything ever done? Hallman let a who's who of college football slip out of this state to schools like San Diego St (that powerhouse of college football).
There should be a book on this, but one can never name all the names and can only hint at what went on in those times.
Mike gets to much blame for a coach that loved his team and family and was trying to help. The power that be at the time get to little blame, but there is enough blame to go that all should step back and thank God we are not in those times today.
you had a group of older alumina who had friends and these groups wanted more control.
Bob was a step in the right direction, but he had stepped on to many of the "good ole boys" piece of the pie.
Bill was never going to stay at LSU in any way even if he got the AD job, be would bolt to any opening in Florida in a heartbeat.
"Bo" was a heartbreak at the time to lose an up and coming young coach. Stovall was a God sent to have in the wings to take over on short notice.
Joe Dean loved LSU and no one would talk up LSU at any event he appeared at, but love for and the doing the real work to improve the athletic department are two horses of a different color. Joe was entrenched and friends with far to many of the good ole boys network. Everyone was wanting a piece of the pie and cuts were made and it cost LSU more than a few million a year to low ball hires.
The cause of the nightmare in LSU football has more to due with the talent level in state being way down for near 5 years due to prop 48.
Curly Hallman? Where did that come from.....I think our board was asleep at the wheel with that hire and Hallman was far to busy with off field actives to worry to much with running the team and program. But Dean and the board saw and heard this first hand, we the fans got it second hand from those in the football office; was anything ever done? Hallman let a who's who of college football slip out of this state to schools like San Diego St (that powerhouse of college football).
There should be a book on this, but one can never name all the names and can only hint at what went on in those times.
Mike gets to much blame for a coach that loved his team and family and was trying to help. The power that be at the time get to little blame, but there is enough blame to go that all should step back and thank God we are not in those times today.
This post was edited on 1/5/14 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 1/5/14 at 2:26 pm to HubbaBubba
It was all Brett Favres fault
Posted on 1/5/14 at 2:27 pm to RogerTheShrubber
1998 was more frustrating than 1999.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 2:29 pm to HubbaBubba
Bargain hires. Joe didn't get that spending a few extra hundred thousand (at that time anyway) would be worth the money
Posted on 1/5/14 at 2:40 pm to DanglingFury
Damn you beat me to it. Brett Favre made Curly look good. Although I'm sure LSU would've jut hired someone else equally bad if not Curley.
And the recruiting fence was started by Gerry D. Gotta give him credit for that.
And the recruiting fence was started by Gerry D. Gotta give him credit for that.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 2:42 pm to HubbaBubba
You referenced my other post, but did you not read the whole thing???
NEVER TO BE SPOKEN OF AGAIN!
Just messin with ya, but shocked to see this thread and 3 pages. Haven't read them yet... this should be a blast to relive.
edited to correct phone typos
NEVER TO BE SPOKEN OF AGAIN!
Just messin with ya, but shocked to see this thread and 3 pages. Haven't read them yet... this should be a blast to relive.
edited to correct phone typos
This post was edited on 1/5/14 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 1/5/14 at 3:14 pm to More&Les
More&Les is correct. Cholly Mac won 8 or 9 games a year ( out of 10 or 11 then). LSU had a top 10 defense every year.... Some years allowing less than 60 Yds rushing for the year avg... But couldn't beat Bama.....fans got restless...wanted change (sound familiar)......so for the next 20 yrs it was up and down...and for a period in the 90s it was waaay down. Bad coaching hires.
Even Saban at the time was a risky hire.... Not much of a track record, but he worked out.... The others didn't.
Even Saban at the time was a risky hire.... Not much of a track record, but he worked out.... The others didn't.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 3:34 pm to More&Les
quote:IN GAME.
We are 14 years into the Golden Age of LSU football and have the most accomplished coach (in game,
Posted on 1/5/14 at 3:34 pm to windmill
quote:
LSU has been declining for 9 years now, like clock work." Better check your clock. 4 ten win seasons, An SEC title, and a NC are not a decline.
Did you really not pick up the sarcasm in my post, of course we are NOT in decline but you have morons EVERY OFFSEASON for NINE YEARS running claiming that it's all over, #decline...
Posted on 1/5/14 at 3:56 pm to Baloo
I think the treatment of Mac at the end of his tenure was surely disrespectful, but had Rein actually coached here there's a good chance we would not view Mac's departure as "step one". we'll just never know, but there's not question he was better prepared to be a successful HC (even at his relatively young age) than Stovall or Archer was. Consider that he was only 34 when he died. He could potentially still be coaching today.
In the depths of the Hallman era, SI ran a story that did a bit of a root cause analysis on how things got that bad at LSU.
- Rein's unfortunate death
- Small-time thinking
- political infighting
- bad (or just not the best) coaching hires in Stovall/Arnsparger/Archer progression
I would also add that we didn't really deal w/ the changing recruiting landscape (prop 48, etc) at the time.
ETA: Had LSU hired Pat Sullivan instead of Dinardo to replace Curly, is there a chance the program is run down even further to a point that it's a job Saban doesn't want?
In the depths of the Hallman era, SI ran a story that did a bit of a root cause analysis on how things got that bad at LSU.
- Rein's unfortunate death
- Small-time thinking
- political infighting
- bad (or just not the best) coaching hires in Stovall/Arnsparger/Archer progression
I would also add that we didn't really deal w/ the changing recruiting landscape (prop 48, etc) at the time.
ETA: Had LSU hired Pat Sullivan instead of Dinardo to replace Curly, is there a chance the program is run down even further to a point that it's a job Saban doesn't want?
This post was edited on 1/5/14 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 1/5/14 at 4:03 pm to MStant1
The buyout for the last year of Hallman's contract was just over $100k for that year. Think about that now compared to now.
Posted on 1/5/14 at 4:13 pm to NathanL
DiNardo's last 2 years were HORRIBLE. 2-9 in 1999? Probably the worst year in LSU football history.
Dr. Emmert started us in the right direction. He had the vision. He hired Saban and agreed to pay the $$$.
Dr. Emmert started us in the right direction. He had the vision. He hired Saban and agreed to pay the $$$.
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