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re: Where would you rank Miles among the SEC's 14 Coaches
Posted on 12/17/13 at 3:46 pm to Mr.Perfect
Posted on 12/17/13 at 3:46 pm to Mr.Perfect
Les Miles number one Steve Spurrier number 2
Posted on 12/17/13 at 3:53 pm to Ponchy Tiger
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1. Saban
2. Miles / Spurrier
Posted on 12/17/13 at 4:00 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
How the hell do you have richt over spurrier an bielema over pinkel?
Posted on 12/17/13 at 4:01 pm to doze4
On gameday Miles is middle of the pack at best. At recruiting and running a program Miles is #2 behind Lil' Nicky. All things considered he's #4.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 4:04 pm to EvrybodysAllAmerican
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On gameday Miles is middle of the pack at best.
Then explain how he outcoached Saban in 2010 and 2011.
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All things considered he's #4.
Who is ahead of him? And what results validate that?
Posted on 12/17/13 at 4:12 pm to doze4
Nick Saban
Steve Spurrier
Gus Malzahn
James Franklin
Les Miles
Mark Richt
Hugh Freeze
Gary Pinkell
Brett Bielema
Kevin Sumlin
Butch Jones
Dan Mullen
Mark Stoops
Will Muschamp
Steve Spurrier
Gus Malzahn
James Franklin
Les Miles
Mark Richt
Hugh Freeze
Gary Pinkell
Brett Bielema
Kevin Sumlin
Butch Jones
Dan Mullen
Mark Stoops
Will Muschamp
Posted on 12/17/13 at 4:12 pm to doze4
Tied for 4th at this point:
1. Saban
2. Spurrier
3. Malzahn
4. Miles/Sumlin/Franklin
1. Saban
2. Spurrier
3. Malzahn
4. Miles/Sumlin/Franklin
Posted on 12/17/13 at 4:31 pm to LNCHBOX
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Then explain how he outcoached Saban in 2010 and 2011.
Im looking at the whole body of work, not just 1 or 2 plays. Did Gerry Dinardo also outcoach Saban in the 95 Independence Bowl? Im considering all the wasted timeouts, Jordan Jefferson mess, ole miss losses, tennessee near-loss, etc. There are plenty of game day brain farts to choose from. If you think he's some outstanding game-day coach, you need to take off the p&g sunglasses.
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All things considered he's #4.
This is not an insult, its pretty good.
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Who is ahead of him? And what results validate that?
Saban and Spurrier easily. Use whatever results you want. And i'd put Malzahn at #3 based on what he's done in his recent 2 seasons at AU (2 NC caliber teams, one as a OC, one as HC)
Miles at #4 mainly because of recruiting, players like him, and play hard for him. He runs the program pretty smoothly, keeps it clean, and has been able to sustain success despite having a new QB almost every year.
This post was edited on 12/17/13 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 12/17/13 at 4:33 pm to EvrybodysAllAmerican
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Im looking at the whole body of work
No you aren't.
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If you think he's some great game-day coach, you need to take off the p&g sunglasses.
He's made more brilliant calls than he's made dumb ones.
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Saban and Spurrier easily.
What has Spurrier done at USC to say he's better than Miles right now?
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And i'd put Malzahn at #3 based on what he's done in 2 seasons at AU (2 NC caliber teams, one as a OC, one as HC)
Malzahn ahead of Saban because of two fluke plays this year? I thought you looked at whole body of work.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 4:37 pm to doze4
Les Miles in a great manager of LSU's football program, but not a great coach.
He needs to find great coordinators for his teams to succeed at a high level.
He needs to find great coordinators for his teams to succeed at a high level.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 4:39 pm to LNCHBOX
i can do that too.
no he hasnt.
2 top 10 finishes in the last 2 years, with less talent. Why do you not count his time at florida? Did he forget how to coach?
I didnt put Malzahn ahead of Saban.
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He's made more brilliant calls than he's made dumb ones.
no he hasnt.
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What has Spurrier done at USC to say he's better than Miles right now?
2 top 10 finishes in the last 2 years, with less talent. Why do you not count his time at florida? Did he forget how to coach?
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Malzahn ahead of Saban because of two fluke plays this year? I thought you looked at whole body of work.
I didnt put Malzahn ahead of Saban.
This post was edited on 12/17/13 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 12/17/13 at 4:40 pm to Sheetbend
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Les Miles in a great manager of LSU's football program, but not a great coach.
Winning just about 80% of your games in the hardest division of the hardest conference doesn't happen by chance.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 4:43 pm to EvrybodysAllAmerican
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no he hasnt.
bullshite. Fake punts, fake fg's, going for 4th downs, some QB changes late in games, etc. There have been plenty of great calls. You just don't want to admit that.
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Why do you not count his time at florida?
Because it happened in the 90s. Big deal. Spurrier has never beaten Miles, so sorry.
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ow many "fluke" plays has Miles benefited from in his time at LSU?
Several, but that doesn't change the fact that it's a little early to say Malzahn is better than one of the winningest coaches in the SEC right now. Especially when Les beat him soundly this year.
Posted on 12/17/13 at 4:49 pm to grich31
why is spurrier considered better? miles continues to beat him h2h and not just off talent.. he actually out-coached him both meetings
Miles is top 3 no matter what tho
Miles is top 3 no matter what tho
Posted on 12/17/13 at 4:52 pm to LNCHBOX
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Les Miles in a great manager of LSU's football program, but not a great coach.
This. Its not an insult, and its true.
Sorry if you cant understand the difference.
Game day/playcalling/preparing for a game VS running a program. You dont have to be great at both to win. Miles is good enough at the 2nd that it makes up for his lacking in the first.
This post was edited on 12/17/13 at 4:55 pm
Posted on 12/17/13 at 4:53 pm to EvrybodysAllAmerican
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This
Not.
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Its not an insult,
It is.
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and its true.
No it isn't.
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Sorry if you cant understand the difference.
Explain how a not great coach has one of the best records over the last 9 years. Is it an accident? Is it all luck? When will the luck run out?
Posted on 12/17/13 at 4:55 pm to doze4
Nick Saban
Steve Spurrier
Les Miles
Mark Richt
Gus Malzahn
James Franklin
Kevin Sumlin
Dan Mullen
Hugh Freeze
Will Muschamp
Mark Stoops
Gary Pinkell
Butch Jones
Brett Bielema
Steve Spurrier
Les Miles
Mark Richt
Gus Malzahn
James Franklin
Kevin Sumlin
Dan Mullen
Hugh Freeze
Will Muschamp
Mark Stoops
Gary Pinkell
Butch Jones
Brett Bielema
Posted on 12/17/13 at 4:56 pm to LNCHBOX
I just did. He's good enough at recruiting/running the program that it makes up for his deficiencies at x's and o's. Sorry you think this is an insult and hurts your feelings. Nobody said it was luck.
This post was edited on 12/17/13 at 5:00 pm
Posted on 12/17/13 at 5:00 pm to EvrybodysAllAmerican
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I just did.
Not really.
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He's good enough at recruiting/running the program that it makes up for his deficiencies at x's and o's.
Sounds to me like something only a great coach could do. Last time I checked X's and O's are only part of what a coach does.
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Sorry you think this is an insult and hurts your feelings.
Doesn't hurt my feelings, just makes you look silly. You don't have one of the best records over a decade by not being a great coach.
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