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re: Long thoughts on the ending of Breaking Bad

Posted on 10/2/13 at 9:37 pm to
Posted by RonBurgundy
Whale's Vagina(San Diego)
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Posted on 10/2/13 at 9:37 pm to
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He is directly responsible for the death of his brother-in-law, destroying his extended family as well


I don't think this is accurate. He is partially responsible and holds himself accountable but not directly responsible.If all evidence was submitted in a criminal case, I don't think he would be convicted in Hank's & Gomey's death
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Jesse is the most good hearted person on the show, which is why he has been consistently punished for his misdeeds


I don't buy that Jesse is such a good hearted person. He felt no remorse when fleeing the cartel. Yes,it was a gunfight, but he essentially saved Mike and Gus by killing someone. He only feels guilt if he deems them innocent. Gale's own personal views on drugs doesn't excuse him from anything. Nor should Jesse's justification that killing Gale is somehow worse than killing the security in Mexico. Walt had killed for him and Jesse certainly was ready to kill for retribution of Andrea's brother murder. Jesse only "changed" when he witnessed a murder of innocent, not his actual sins.


Other than that, solid review.
Posted by Baloo
Formerly MDGeaux
Member since Sep 2003
49645 posts
Posted on 10/3/13 at 9:14 am to
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I don't think this is accurate. He is partially responsible and holds himself accountable but not directly responsible.If all evidence was submitted in a criminal case, I don't think he would be convicted in Hank's & Gomey's death

I didn't really mean responsible in a criminal sense, just morally. But I do think he would be liable for Hank and Gomie's death because he hired a hitman to kill Jesse, which is a felony. Uncle Jack killed Hank in the commission of a felony, which is 1st degree murder in most states. Under the laws of conspiracy and felony murder, Walt would be held liable for the murder as well, despite not pulling the trigger. When committing a felony, you are legally responsible for all murders which occur in the commission of that crime, even if you didn't actually kill them yourself.

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I don't buy that Jesse is such a good hearted person. He felt no remorse when fleeing the cartel. Yes,it was a gunfight, but he essentially saved Mike and Gus by killing someone. He only feels guilt if he deems them innocent. Gale's own personal views on drugs doesn't excuse him from anything. Nor should Jesse's justification that killing Gale is somehow worse than killing the security in Mexico. Walt had killed for him and Jesse certainly was ready to kill for retribution of Andrea's brother murder. Jesse only "changed" when he witnessed a murder of innocent, not his actual sins.

I think he clearly is. First off, he doesn't kill the cartel, Gus does. Jesse has no knowledge what's about to go down. He also is relieved by their deaths because, well, they were going to make him their hostage or maybe even kill him. This is far closer to self-defense.

Jesse killed two people in the course of the show: Todd and Gale. He didn't even like Gale, and Gale was no innocent, but he was psychologically destroyed by it. He also was the only one to object to selling to kids, which even Gus had no actual problem with. Jesse is not up for saint of the year, he's still a meth cook guilty of an untold number of felonies, but he is the only major character who actually recognizes what they do is wrong, and feels guilt over it. Which is why he is constantly punished.
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