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re: So, I'm attempting to build a PC and would appreciate some help...

Posted on 7/19/13 at 1:55 am to
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 7/19/13 at 1:55 am to
Read this. It took me over an hour’s worth of amphetamines to write it, and it’s so long that it exceeds the allowed word count per post, so I have to divide it into two posts.
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1. Am I on the right track with this configuration, or am I way off? Overall, did I make wise choices in components? If not, where did I go wrong?

On the right track? In the loosest of terms, yes. You have configured a PC that will function and play games very well. Did you make wise choices? No, but that's why we are here. Where did you go wrong? Well, read on.

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2. Did I choose a quality motherboard? Is there a better option? (Note: I went with the deluxe model because of it having 802.11ac Wi-Fi capability, although I may always use the ethernet port.)

You're dumping $120 too much into a motherboard. Why are you planning on gaming on a wireless connection using a stationary desktop machine with gigabit ethernet? Why do you think you need wireless AC? Do you frequently move tons of data across your network, with a dozen devices accessing it at one time while you stream an HD movie? Do you think it will somehow affect your internet connection?

That motherboard has more features than you need or understand. If you want wireless, get a PCI card or a USB adapter if you insist.

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3. Regarding the CPU, how did I do? Should I have gone with a different CPU? Will a quad-core processor be more than sufficient (for now and the future)?


I have that CPU. I delidded it and have it in a custom loop. It performs very well. Don’t look at cores or clock speeds just as a determining factor. The i7’s hyperthreading allows it act as an 8-core CPU, executing two threads simultaneously while sharing the resources of one core. But it rapes AMD processors, even the ones with 8 physical cores. There is currently no AMD chip that competes with it (doesn’t mean AMD chips are bad, as they do have tremendous bang-for-buck.)

Do you live near a Microcenter or know someone who does? If not, you won't be paying $279.99 for it. That price is not an online price. Expect to pay more like $340-350 online.

Based on the rest of your build, I feel like you selected that CPU without understanding why, and unless you are doing a lot of CPU-intensive tasks besides gaming (video editing/encoding, 3d modeling, and so on), you probably don’t need that CPU. If you want it, you can get it. There’s no better CPU for that price, but you can put that money into better things, or just save it. If you were going to back off the processor, the AMD 8350 is a great choice. It’s not as good of a performer as the i5-4650k (sorry, but it’s not) or the 4770k of course, but it does offer a better bang for buck. And most importantly, it is far from being a bottleneck to your GPU and overall gaming performance. That’s the important part.

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4. After thinking about it for a while, I've decided that I won't be overclocking my CPU immediately (is that a mistake?). With that being the case, would it still be a good idea to purchase a replacement CPU cooler or will the included Intel cooler be more than sufficient? If the former is the case, can you recommend one?


Learn the basics before you overclock. But even so, your motherboard (the one I choose for you) will have some basic auto-overclocking features that are noob friendly and require no tweaking on your part. Get a hyper 212+. Barely a drop in the bucket in your overall budget, and will perform far better than the stock cooler in either intel or AMD. Stock coolers are notorious for causing overheating and throttling during long gaming sessions, especially with the heat coming off your other components (video card) adding to the ambient temperature inside your case, stock coolers just suck. And even if you never get any shutdowns or throttling, you are shortening the life of your CPU by letting it sit at 80-90c while you game.

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5. Does this video card make sense, when you consider my needs? (Note: I don't want to "cut costs" only to upgrade my video card a year later.)

That’s the current cream of the crop single-GPU card out right now, except for the $1,000 Titan. If I had to buy a new GPU today, I’d get the 780. But I’m gaming at 1440p. You, however, have selected two 1080p monitors.

I have questions for you:
1. You understand that you would really only be gaming on one monitor, right? I assume you selected the second one for productivity reasons (I have two monitors as well). If you’re interested in multiple monitor gaming, let me know. I’m going to assume you aren’t, though.
2. Are you aware of 1440p gaming and the Korean IPS/PLS monitors available on ebay for around $300?
3. Do you have desk space for a 27” monitor along with a secondary monitor for whatever you need it for? Who cares, make space for it.

If you are spending this kind of money on a gaming computer, the absolute stupidest thing you could do is use it for 1080p gaming. No other way to put it. You’re getting a 1440p monitor, or you’re lowering your hardware budget significantly.

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6. As far as the power supply is concerned, I really don't know what I'm doing (imagine that). Can you recommend a power supply for this configuration? (Note: I don't want to go with the bare minimum for power, I would like some "headroom." I've seen the "estimated wattage" on pcpartpicker and I did a quick calculation using the eXtreme power supply calculator, but I want reassurance from actual human beings.)


I think head room is good for PSUs, too, as long as you aren’t spending a stupid amount of money for the extra wattage. There is a lot to be said about PSUs and selecting the right one. I’m planning to cover some of that in a guide I’m writing, but it’s too much to talk about here. So in the PC Partpicker link in my next post, I have selected a PSU for you. The one I have selected takes into account the following:
1. You one day decide to overclock your CPU and video card a little bit.
2. Capacitor aging, which reduces output by a small amount over a long period of frequent or continuous operation.
3. Adding an extra GTX 780 later down the road.

It’s more wattage than what you currently need, but a good power supply should last you through multiple upgrades and add-ons. This one will.
You can take my word for it and purchase that one, OR if someone suggests a cheaper bronze, silver, or gold PSU of similar wattage that’s made by Seasonic, XFX, OCZ, PCPnP, or Corsair. There might be other acceptable brands, but it doesn’t matter.

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7. You may have noticed that I didn't include a sound card, is this a terrible, terrible mistake?

Nope, just fine. I have well over $2,000 in my tower alone, and I’m still using onboard sound. Unless you’re considering making a mini recording studio and layin down some tracks. And then you’ll need a pretty high-end low latency card and extremely quiet cooling in your case.

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8. What else, if anything, should I do/purchase to keep the components cool? (I really don't have a firm grasp on what constitutes a proper cooling setup.)

A cookie-cutter “proper” cooling setup for a gaming midtower consists of the following:
1. An aftermarket CPU cooler such as the hyper 212+
2. At least one fan pulling in air from the front of your case (or side, if front isn’t possible)
3. At least one fan exhausting air out the back of your case
4. One fan exhausting air out the top of your case

That’s a good air cooling setup, but of course there’s always better for the more extreme overclockers or hobbyists.

Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
18018 posts
Posted on 7/19/13 at 1:58 am to
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9. Did I make a wise choice, when it comes to cases? Will the included fans be more than sufficient? (Note: Other than buying a second 140mm fan for the front filter, I won't be adding additional/replacement fans unless you guys tell me to.)


According to Newegg, the R4 case in your configuration comes with 2 fans and a side air duct. You could add a third (and the integrated fan controller will allow 3), but you’d probably be just fine without the third. It’s not clear from the pictures where that second fan is, though. Also, that’s overpriced for the fan you chose. I’m sure you wanted it to match, but the case doesn’t have a window. Really, just skip the extra fan.

Maybe someone here has real-life experience with that case. I know it’s popular. Looks good to me, and the brand is great. I generally don’t give much advice on what case to choose because no one ever listens to anyone about cases. They want what they want.

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10. Am I a fool for going with Windows 8?


You’re a fool for purchasing it. Most of us here don’t pay for Windows, but that’s a different topic.

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11. With new consoles (which may allow for a potential jump in PC requirements) and DDR4 ram just around the corner, how quickly will I regret building this computer now?


DDR4 isn’t going to be anything amazing. The biggest factor here is choosing the right GPU with enough memory. I can’t argue with the fact that today’s games, even at 1440p, are using more than 2GB of memory, but I do know that with next gen consoles around the corner, HD gaming becoming the norm, games are gearing up to be memory hogs by design. Remember, a LOT of popular PC titles are console ports, ports that were originally designed to use 512MB vram max. The next gen consoles are going to have access to several GB of memory for their GPUs (even after you factor in the memory for the console’s OS, networking, and the other background functions). Those PS4 and XBox One ports will be part of our list of things to play, and I think 3GB cards for PC gaming will become more important than ever. Arguably, you might say the 770 4GB is big contender, but I think the 780 performance is going to prevail for the future, paired with that 3GB of memory.

An AMD 7970 is also a great performer at 1440p, and opting for that would save you about $300 (significant), and you could later down the road add a second one in crossfire (and by that time the price of a 7970 will have fallen more and you could get one secondhand for a steal). But since you have a bigger budget, and the 780 is the better card with even more room to grow with driver updates, we’ll keep the 780.

But the bottom line is, if you take my advice on the build, you won’t ever regret it.

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12. Any advice for someone building a computer for the first time?

See above.

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13. Anything else I should I know?

Yes. I have reconfigured your build to make better use of your funds.

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My goal was not to lower your budget, but to optimize it for the best performance per dollar. Incidentally, the configuration came in under budget once I was finished. That’s how it usually happens.

I have only included a single monitor (1440p). Left out the single monitor, as well as the keyboard and mouse, to show the core gaming setup in all its glory. But, since this whole ultra setup with mega-fantastic orgasmic monitor still comes in at less than $2,000 (including a double capacity SSD with faster performance), I think you’ll be able to find another productivity monitor and keyboard with that remaining $500, and still have enough left over for an honest copy of Windows and a cheap hooker.

If you have any questions about why I chose something, please ask. Don’t assume I left something off by mistake (i.e., I selected 8GB of RAM for a reason), nor assume that I know absolutely everything you need this PC to do.
This post was edited on 7/19/13 at 2:05 am
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