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Can anyone explain to me how the hell UEFA works?
Posted on 7/5/13 at 11:21 pm
Posted on 7/5/13 at 11:21 pm
As those who have seen my last couple of post on here I never really have followed soccer in general, let alone club soccer or European soccer. I know what I'm asking most likely requires a long response because of how general the question is but if anyone could help me understand how the structure works that would be great. From what I gather each country has their own set of leagues and higher and lower divisions in which the teams play each other each season and there is a champion. I also get the basic principles of relegation and all that (when I first heard that I was thinking.. well that's a hell of a reason to make your team better and incentives the hell out of winning)
However what I'm trying to understand is how the international UEFA competitions worked. I went to their site and noticed that there were two of them? So I guess if anyone could explain to me how that works? How the teams get in each? Why are there 2? Are there usually a variety of winnners or is it generally dominated by a handful of powerhouses? Do the UEFA competitions interfere with the scheduling of each country's league schedules? etc.
Any information / explanation would be greatly appreciated. Please feel free to provide anymore information you feel necessary to help me get my head around all this.
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Posted on 7/5/13 at 11:24 pm to theGarnetWay
UEFA = Confederation.
Think of it as the SEC.
International UEFA competition = EURO tournament
Club UEFA competition = Champions League and Europa.
Clubs have a break in their schedule for Europa/Champions League games.
Think of it as the SEC.
International UEFA competition = EURO tournament
Club UEFA competition = Champions League and Europa.
Clubs have a break in their schedule for Europa/Champions League games.
Posted on 7/5/13 at 11:27 pm to UASports23
Union of European Football Associations
Posted on 7/5/13 at 11:29 pm to theGarnetWay
Honestly, the best thing you can do is go to Wikipedia and search "UEFA Champions League" and "UEFA Europa League." That's what I did when I was first getting into club soccer.
But to try and sum it up, the Champions League is the penultimate league to play in. There are a set number of slots that are filled by the top teams from the numerous domestic leagues across Europe. The number of slots each league gets depends on the quality of the league. England (BPL) gets 4 spots. There can be no more than 4 teams from a league in the tournament in a given year. The participants in the CL are based on league finishes for the prior year. So Man U, Man City, Chelsea and Arsenal will represent the BPL this season. There are multiple stages of the competition with the earliest stage starting in mid-summer and contested between the lesser league representatives. Champions League dates CAN interfere with domestic schedules and its common for domestic league games to be rescheduled. But from what I can recall, UEFA tries to schedule the matches mid-week to minimize interference with domestic league schedules.
As far as the Europa League, it's the consolation league that is structured similarly. Some teams that are eliminated from the CL will enter the Europa League (based on the round which a team is eliminated).
But to try and sum it up, the Champions League is the penultimate league to play in. There are a set number of slots that are filled by the top teams from the numerous domestic leagues across Europe. The number of slots each league gets depends on the quality of the league. England (BPL) gets 4 spots. There can be no more than 4 teams from a league in the tournament in a given year. The participants in the CL are based on league finishes for the prior year. So Man U, Man City, Chelsea and Arsenal will represent the BPL this season. There are multiple stages of the competition with the earliest stage starting in mid-summer and contested between the lesser league representatives. Champions League dates CAN interfere with domestic schedules and its common for domestic league games to be rescheduled. But from what I can recall, UEFA tries to schedule the matches mid-week to minimize interference with domestic league schedules.
As far as the Europa League, it's the consolation league that is structured similarly. Some teams that are eliminated from the CL will enter the Europa League (based on the round which a team is eliminated).
This post was edited on 7/5/13 at 11:34 pm
Posted on 7/5/13 at 11:42 pm to theGarnetWay
The Champions League
Here is the link to this coming season's CL, which will give you a lot more info than what I am saying and will also explain it a little better: LINK
It starts with some qualification rounds that decide the 10 final teams in the 32 team group play. The best domestic leagues (England, Spain, Germany) get 4 teams in, with the 4th best team entering in one of the qualification rounds. Italy, Portugal, and France, the next best domestic leagues, get 3 teams in, with the 3rd team entering into one of the qualification rounds as well. Then there are 9 more countries, and they get 2 teams in, with the 2nd best team in 7 of them entering in one of the qualification rounds, and the other 2 countries have both teams enter in one of the qualification rounds. The rest of the countries only get 1 team in, and they all enter in qualification. So all those teams go through a few qualification rounds and 10 of those teams enter the group stage, where they join the 22 teams that did not go into the qualification rounds.
In the group stage, there are 8 groups of 4 teams, and each team plays 6 games in group play. Each team plays the other 3 teams in their group at home once and on the road once. At the end of group play, the 2 best teams in each group go into the Round of 16 draw. From the Round of 16 all the way through the Semifinals, there are 2-legged ties, where each team plays a home game and road game against one other team, and the scores of the 2 games are added up and the winning team advances to the next round. In the case of a tie on aggregate, the team with the most away goals advances, but if they have the same amount of away goals also, then they play extra time. This process continues through the Quarterfinals and Semifinals, and then the Final is a one-legged tie played at a neutral site, with the winner being crowned the champion.
Here is the link to this coming season's CL, which will give you a lot more info than what I am saying and will also explain it a little better: LINK
It starts with some qualification rounds that decide the 10 final teams in the 32 team group play. The best domestic leagues (England, Spain, Germany) get 4 teams in, with the 4th best team entering in one of the qualification rounds. Italy, Portugal, and France, the next best domestic leagues, get 3 teams in, with the 3rd team entering into one of the qualification rounds as well. Then there are 9 more countries, and they get 2 teams in, with the 2nd best team in 7 of them entering in one of the qualification rounds, and the other 2 countries have both teams enter in one of the qualification rounds. The rest of the countries only get 1 team in, and they all enter in qualification. So all those teams go through a few qualification rounds and 10 of those teams enter the group stage, where they join the 22 teams that did not go into the qualification rounds.
In the group stage, there are 8 groups of 4 teams, and each team plays 6 games in group play. Each team plays the other 3 teams in their group at home once and on the road once. At the end of group play, the 2 best teams in each group go into the Round of 16 draw. From the Round of 16 all the way through the Semifinals, there are 2-legged ties, where each team plays a home game and road game against one other team, and the scores of the 2 games are added up and the winning team advances to the next round. In the case of a tie on aggregate, the team with the most away goals advances, but if they have the same amount of away goals also, then they play extra time. This process continues through the Quarterfinals and Semifinals, and then the Final is a one-legged tie played at a neutral site, with the winner being crowned the champion.
This post was edited on 7/5/13 at 11:44 pm
Posted on 7/5/13 at 11:45 pm to svb
Champion´s League NCAA basketball tournament
Europa League NIT tournament
Europa League NIT tournament
Posted on 7/5/13 at 11:46 pm to svb
Oh, and the 3rd place teams in the CL group stage enter into one of the later rounds of the Europa League.
Posted on 7/5/13 at 11:58 pm to svb
Its all starting to make more sense. When does the domestic seasons usually start? And when do these championships start? It may sound stupid but right now this might be what is confusing for me is the scheduling. Looking at ADO Den Haag is doing some Pre-season playing and starts the division schedule in early Aug. yet when I look at the UEFA site yet there are already qualifying rounds for the CL going on. So some teams are qualifying why others are just going about their domestic business?
eta: And do obligations to the national teams take precedent over club soccer for the players? I understand the World Cup is a big deal but I can't help but think if I was a fan of a club team, had a big match coming up, but our best player(s) is off playing for the national team or something.
eta: And do obligations to the national teams take precedent over club soccer for the players? I understand the World Cup is a big deal but I can't help but think if I was a fan of a club team, had a big match coming up, but our best player(s) is off playing for the national team or something.
This post was edited on 7/6/13 at 12:00 am
Posted on 7/6/13 at 12:13 am to theGarnetWay
Champions league 1st qualifying round started last week and finishes this week. Then after that they have home and away fixtures for the second qualifying round, third qualifying round and playoff round. Then there is a draw for the group stages where the top 2 teams from each group advance to knockout stages (home and away)culminating with a one game final towards the end of may. Most "big" teams don't partake in the qualifying until the third round, playoff round, or just group stages. Coefficient points are awarded to countries based on their performance in the champions league and that determines what round you start in. Domestic leagues usually begin in August and certain games are rescheduled if they conflict with European competition.
Posted on 7/6/13 at 12:16 am to SuperSoakher
Also leagues take breaks certain weekends in order to accommodate the international games which aren't very common. Uefa World Cup qualifying plays 10 games over a span of two years.
Posted on 7/6/13 at 12:22 am to theGarnetWay
The domestic leagues seasons are played at the same time as the Champions League and the Europa League. For example, there are times when a club will play a domestic league match on a Saturday, a Champions League match on a Wednesday, and domestic league match on a Saturday and then a Champions League match on a Tuesday.
quote:Usually, there are breaks in the schedules for domestic leagues where players will play in international matches. However, when a player is called up for an international tournament, like the Gold Cup, they will usually leave their domestic club. For example, there are currently many MLS players who are playing now for the US Gold Cup squad and they will not be playing in MLS for the next month or so. That doesn't happen as much in the bigger European leagues because the schedules are usually made to avoid that.
eta: And do obligations to the national teams take precedent over club soccer for the players?
Posted on 7/6/13 at 12:27 am to Gmorgan4982
quote:
Usually, there are breaks in the schedules for domestic leagues where players will play in international matches. However, when a player is called up for an international tournament, like the Gold Cup, they will usually leave their domestic club. For example, there are currently many MLS players who are playing now for the US Gold Cup squad and they will not be playing in MLS for the next month or so. That doesn't happen as much in the bigger European leagues because the schedules are usually made to avoid that.
Is there usually 'outcry' or protests from domestic clubs who are the ones paying their players who risk injury for the international team? Similar to what we hear every time US Olympic basketball comes up?
Posted on 7/6/13 at 12:31 am to theGarnetWay
quote:Like I said, it doesn't happen much with the major European leagues because they schedule around it. I've heard of club coaches not wanting their players to play to keep them from being tired or risking injury but usually, from what I've seen, the clubs usually release the player anyway. With MLS, because of the odd March-November schedule, it seems to me that clubs and fans just accept it.
Is there usually 'outcry' or protests from domestic clubs who are the ones paying their players who risk injury for the international team?
This post was edited on 7/6/13 at 12:32 am
Posted on 7/6/13 at 12:31 am to theGarnetWay
quote:
Is there usually 'outcry' or protests from domestic clubs who are the ones paying their players who risk injury for the international team?
Clubs can decide whether or not to release a player. It's pretty simple. There has been outcry before.
Posted on 7/6/13 at 12:32 am to theGarnetWay
quote:
Is there usually 'outcry' or protests from domestic clubs who are the ones paying their players who risk injury for the international team? Similar to what we hear every time US Olympic basketball comes up?
The clubs are required to release their players if called up by their national team for an official FIFA match (meaning not a friendly.)
Occasionally, teams may work out things with national team managers like Klinsmann did for the Gold Cup. But, if he had called up Clint Dempsey, Tim Howard, Michael Bradley for the Gold Cup, their clubs can't stop him.
The clubs still cry, but nobody cares.
Posted on 7/6/13 at 12:34 am to Sheep
quote:Yeah, I've heard of club coaches complaining but I've never really heard anyone take them too seriously.
The clubs still cry, but nobody cares.
Posted on 7/6/13 at 12:38 am to Gmorgan4982
How do you guys follow your favorite foreign team? Does it just depend on what TV service you provide? Do you get it online somewhere? I'm sure the powerhouses are easier to access but I'm sure there are some here that are fans of some of the more obscure teams that aren't so easily seen here in the US?
Posted on 7/6/13 at 12:43 am to UASports23
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Clubs can decide whether or not to release a player.
LOL no.
Any *official* match date, and they have to release him. That doesn't prevent them from telling the player to say that they've got an injury and can't go.
It's a little grey around friendly matches that fall on *official* FIFA dates.... but a qualifier or something like the Gold Cup, the club doesn't get a say in the matter (as far as the federation is concerned.) They may have influence over the player.
Posted on 7/6/13 at 12:44 am to theGarnetWay
This year, the Premier League match (the English league which most people here follow) will have every match shown on either NBC, NBC Sports Network or online so hopefully this year will be even better than usual. When a match is not on TV, for whatever reason, you can usually find a match on streaming sites such as firstrowsports.eu, vipbox.tv, usagoals.com, and others. Pretty much any match you could ever want is shown on those sites.
ESPN and beIN Sport show a lot of La Liga matches (Spanish league). GolTV shows a good number of Bundesliga matches (German league). I think BeIN Sport also shows Serie A (Italian) and Ligue 1 (French) matches.
ESPN and beIN Sport show a lot of La Liga matches (Spanish league). GolTV shows a good number of Bundesliga matches (German league). I think BeIN Sport also shows Serie A (Italian) and Ligue 1 (French) matches.
This post was edited on 7/6/13 at 12:52 am
Posted on 7/6/13 at 12:46 am to theGarnetWay
quote:
How do you guys follow your favorite foreign team? Does it just depend on what TV service you provide? Do you get it online somewhere?
If it's not on TV (and if you choose a club in the US, England, France, Spain, Italy or Mexico (
) to follow, you can catch at least a few games on TV) you can see damn near any game in the world streamed live..... if you dig far enough.
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