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re: Jay Z vs Kanye West

Posted on 5/7/13 at 3:36 pm to
Posted by bobbyray21
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 5/7/13 at 3:36 pm to
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I'm pointing out that he is literally the most critically praised artist of ALL TIME, and that's a little absurd. No one, not even Dylan, has had such critical consensus not just of his greatness, but of his being superior to every other current act. I don't blame him for being an egotist, he's had more sunshine blown up his arse than any artist in the history of pop music.

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Most ambitious hip hop album ever? Really? Paul's Boutique never happened? The Chronic? Low End theory? Revolution Eternal? Black Star? It Takes a Nation of Millions? Madvillainy? I mean, it's ambitious, I agree. It's just not uniquely ambitious. It's that kind of overpraise that I find obnoxious. Kanye can't be really good, he has to be the best ever.


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But you don't actually think that, right? I mean you mentioned Bob Dylan, and I'm certain he could put out an album with 80 minutes of his armpit farts and it would get five stars across the board from every music critic and their cousin.

Radiohead could smack their cocks from thigh to thigh for 80 minutes. Same result.

I'm sure we could come up with others.

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I stand by my statement. It was an album that was unquestionably designed to be a groundbreaking album. And he pulled it off.

I'm not sure if I love your examples of other ambitious rap albums. Well, they're okay, but i would put Speakerboxx/The Love Below ahead of them in the ambitiousness department.
Posted by Baloo
Formerly MDGeaux
Member since Sep 2003
49645 posts
Posted on 5/7/13 at 3:50 pm to
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But you don't actually think that, right? I mean you mentioned Bob Dylan, and I'm certain he could put out an album with 80 minutes of his armpit farts and it would get five stars across the board from every music critic and their cousin.

Radiohead could smack their cocks from thigh to thigh for 80 minutes. Same result.

I'm sure we could come up with others.

sure we could, but here's the point. As gloriously overpraised as Radiohead is, and I agree, they are obnoxiously overpraised, Radiohead has not had as much plaudits heaped upon them as Kanye. Radiohead is overpraised and even they aren't as overpriased as Kanye. that's staggering.

Dylan's a tad different because a lot of his current praise is just nostalgia, which is is irritating, but no one really believes it. And Dylan actually has been ripped critically (two words: Christian period, two more: Self Portrait). From 1976 or so to about 1990, he couldn't buy a good review except from his most fawning sycophants.

I like Kanye. I think he's good. But he's not the producer Dre is and he's not the lyricist Talib Kweli is, for example. I think its telling that your bent out of sorts not that I'm positing that Kanye isn't really good, but that he isn't the undisputed best working artist. It's like even the slight bit of dissent is blasphemy to Kanye fans.

Look, hip hop has largely lost me in the past decade. I think Kanye is better than his contemporaries primarily by default. I do prefer Outkast to Kanye, but I also prefer pretty much every 80s act to both of them, so perhaps I'm the wrong guy. Everybody's flow is crap, including Kanye (except Kweli, and maybe Jay Z, which is why I like him better). But give me Tribe Called Quest or Eric B and Rakim.
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