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re: bonethug's First Saints Talk Mock Draft 1.0.2, now with Paprika
Posted on 4/20/13 at 9:13 pm to blueslover
Posted on 4/20/13 at 9:13 pm to blueslover
My ratings weren't for need. Those are impact ratings. Basically how much would a top player at any position that panned out impact the team. It doesn't rely on where we pick, just an IF we were to get a top player.
For WR, you need 3 deep in today's nfl. I think the top WRs in this draft are an immediate upgrade over Morgan(who I have high hopes for) and Toon. Our offense would be even more dynamic with one of these guys.
TE is for blocking skills when using a TE to block and receiving skills when using double TE sets and putting both in routes. I think the top TEs would be slightly better receivers than Watson and possible decent enough blockers.
OG I think the top 2 could be a small upgrade over Grubbs(which is why it's just a 1). Could also see a 0 here.
RT would be an obvious upgrade but we are not devoid of talent there.
LT we agree on aside from misunderstanding my ratings.
K I'll admit to not knowing much about this class. Maybe there is no upgrade but we could use consistency. 7 was probably high anyway, especially for a kicker. Maybe a 4-5 if any of these Ks are worth a lick.
NT we disagree(mostly because I think people are undervaluing Bunkley and Hicks). I don't see the top guys being that much better, especially since it's one of the hardest positions to adjust to.
OLB we disagree again. I don't see the top guys as that much more skilled(and in some cases not as skilled).
FS I think any would be a huge improvement over Jenkins. I thought zone would suit him better than anyone yet he seemed to be the worst afflicted by it. And he was the Bushrod(slightly better) of the defense under Williams, only showing a few small flashes. IAQ outplayed him and I don't think he is great by any means.
SS I think some of these guys will be good in the box(not as good as Harper but good enough), but will be much better in coverage and that's where the impact comes from.
For WR, you need 3 deep in today's nfl. I think the top WRs in this draft are an immediate upgrade over Morgan(who I have high hopes for) and Toon. Our offense would be even more dynamic with one of these guys.
TE is for blocking skills when using a TE to block and receiving skills when using double TE sets and putting both in routes. I think the top TEs would be slightly better receivers than Watson and possible decent enough blockers.
OG I think the top 2 could be a small upgrade over Grubbs(which is why it's just a 1). Could also see a 0 here.
RT would be an obvious upgrade but we are not devoid of talent there.
LT we agree on aside from misunderstanding my ratings.
K I'll admit to not knowing much about this class. Maybe there is no upgrade but we could use consistency. 7 was probably high anyway, especially for a kicker. Maybe a 4-5 if any of these Ks are worth a lick.
NT we disagree(mostly because I think people are undervaluing Bunkley and Hicks). I don't see the top guys being that much better, especially since it's one of the hardest positions to adjust to.
OLB we disagree again. I don't see the top guys as that much more skilled(and in some cases not as skilled).
FS I think any would be a huge improvement over Jenkins. I thought zone would suit him better than anyone yet he seemed to be the worst afflicted by it. And he was the Bushrod(slightly better) of the defense under Williams, only showing a few small flashes. IAQ outplayed him and I don't think he is great by any means.
SS I think some of these guys will be good in the box(not as good as Harper but good enough), but will be much better in coverage and that's where the impact comes from.
This post was edited on 4/20/13 at 9:35 pm
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Posted on 4/20/13 at 9:49 pm to bonethug0108
with the WRs it is still the #3 WR you're talking about? It may be a 7 over the #3 but in the big picture a #3 WR upgrade isn't a 7 upgrade to the position. Comparatively Ryan Nassib at #15 would be a 10+ upgrade... over the #2 QB. But that doesn't translate to a 10+ at the position. I don't see any WR that would come in day one and be a #1 WR. Maybe the top 5 would be a #2. I dunno if I could call that a giant upgrade.
Need? Impact? The bigger the need the bigger the impact can be. How about this line of thinking...
Which is the bigger upgrade?
Reaching for a LT at #15 (Fragel, Armsread, etc) or adding a proven 34OLB that has had 28 sacks in the past two years over Butler, Wilson, or Galette (24 sacks in 123 NFL games). My take is I hope for one of those three to get 10 sacks. with Jones I'd expect 10 sacks.
Lane Johnson is nice. But methinks ya gotta get before SD at #10 if ya want him. Is he worth losing your 3rd &5th Rder trading up to #10? I think a 3rd Rd Armstead, Fragel, Faulk, etc could compete for starting reps right up with Smith & Brown. The draft picks to trade that would be lost are too vital- this year maybe more than most.
Again, NT & OLB are THE keys to a succesful 3-4. Bigger upgrade a better #2 or 3 WR that would have to be on fire to get 60+ catches or a NT (Lotulelei) that has Ngata type game changing potential?
I agree to disagree. A lot seems to come down to how much faith you have in what is there at NT and OLB. My basis is more on history and past experience. You are much more confident in what they might do. The second factor for me is how vital the NT and OLB play is in the 3-4. Defensive improvement is predicated on NT & OLB success. In a 4-3 ya gotta have some DE pass rush and a solid MLB. That is where you prioritize your resources. Until we get we have proven 3-4 NT & OLB production I keep infusing talent there.
Need? Impact? The bigger the need the bigger the impact can be. How about this line of thinking...
Which is the bigger upgrade?
Reaching for a LT at #15 (Fragel, Armsread, etc) or adding a proven 34OLB that has had 28 sacks in the past two years over Butler, Wilson, or Galette (24 sacks in 123 NFL games). My take is I hope for one of those three to get 10 sacks. with Jones I'd expect 10 sacks.
Lane Johnson is nice. But methinks ya gotta get before SD at #10 if ya want him. Is he worth losing your 3rd &5th Rder trading up to #10? I think a 3rd Rd Armstead, Fragel, Faulk, etc could compete for starting reps right up with Smith & Brown. The draft picks to trade that would be lost are too vital- this year maybe more than most.
Again, NT & OLB are THE keys to a succesful 3-4. Bigger upgrade a better #2 or 3 WR that would have to be on fire to get 60+ catches or a NT (Lotulelei) that has Ngata type game changing potential?
I agree to disagree. A lot seems to come down to how much faith you have in what is there at NT and OLB. My basis is more on history and past experience. You are much more confident in what they might do. The second factor for me is how vital the NT and OLB play is in the 3-4. Defensive improvement is predicated on NT & OLB success. In a 4-3 ya gotta have some DE pass rush and a solid MLB. That is where you prioritize your resources. Until we get we have proven 3-4 NT & OLB production I keep infusing talent there.
This post was edited on 4/20/13 at 10:03 pm
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