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pick up three average players instead of targeting an impact player in the top half of the 1st round. Because nobody good comes out of the 15th pick.

considering that the general thought amongst "experts" in the national realm is that this draft is loaded with no great players, your stance is wrong. if there were any "impact players" at the 15 spot, then you would be accurate; however, this is not the case. I saw Mayok say a couple weeks back that you can take all 32 "top" players this year, shuffle them up and you'd have some teams draft board. Here is this from Peter King's column yesterday LINK

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As the smoke begins to clear for the 2013 draft, this is obvious: No one loves the top of it. No one. When you talk to league people, you hear over and over about how this is a middle-class draft, with an egalitarian class from the teens until the middle of the second round, and no real can't-miss stars at the top.

This is not his opinion; it is his reporting of what he is being told. So before you start rolling your eyes

at peoples' desire to trade back, you may want to stop and look at your opinion as not being the one that is dominated by the people in the know. Also, just stop using the term "impact player" at 15, because it has become quite clear that there is no true impact player in this draft.

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Posted by adono

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Posted on 4/9/13 at 2:27 pm to Midget Death Squad

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egalitarian class from the teens until the middle of the second round, and no real can't-miss stars at the top.

This is a strange draft class. There are some players in the draft who would normally be considered "can't miss" (which is never truly the case)but there's an asterisk next to their names:

Jones- neck problems
Lotelelei- heart problems
Mingo- questionable strength
Aasah- lack of experience
Montgomery- lack of work habit

It just seems that this draft is more a crap shoot than usual. Some of these guys will become great players and some will fade faster than a pair of WalMart jeans. But that's the nature of every draft.

This post was edited on 4/9/13 at 3:15 pm

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Posted by Suntiger

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Posted on 4/9/13 at 2:32 pm to Midget Death Squad

Did you read the column? He's saying there isn't a can't miss guy at the top like a Mario Williams or Andrew Luck. I completely agree with that.

He also says that the second 10 picks could be just as good as the top 10. I agree with that too. That's why I don't want to trade back.

He compares 2013 NFL draft to the 2008 draft.

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Premier players: In the top 10, there are two, Ryan and Mayo. In the second 10, I'd say there are three: Clady, Albert (a slight stretch, though a top-12 left tackle in this game today has to be considered premier) and Flacco. Jake Long would have been, had injuries not derailed his career. He still may be one, but he'll have to be sturdier in his new address, St. Louis.

Better than average players: Five in the top 10 -- Jake Long, Chris Long, Ryan, McFadden (marginally, because of his injuries) and Mayo. And I would say eight in the second 10 -- McKelvin, Clady, Stewart (4.7 yards per carry in a job-sharing career with DeAngelo Williams), Albert, Rodgers-Cromartie, Cherilus, Flacco and Talib.

Busts: Gholston, Harvey and Rivers in the top 10, only Williams and Otah in the second 10.

By any stretch, the second 10 has to be considered a stronger collective group than the top 10 from the 2008 draft.

Think of this draft. Who would be all that surprised if Jarvis Jones, Tavon Austin, Alec Ogletree, Xavier Rhodes, Desmond Trufant and Bjoern Werner go in the second 10 ... and outplay their peers in the top 10?

If this is correct...Why in the world would we trade back and not get any of those guys???

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Also, just stop using the term "impact player" at 15, because it has become quite clear that there is no true impact player in this draft.

Ok. King uses "Premier players". I'll just start using that term instead.

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Posted by redfish99

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Posted on 4/10/13 at 9:36 am to Midget Death Squad

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pick up three average players instead of targeting an impact player in the top half of the 1st round. Because nobody good comes out of the 15th pick.
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considering that the general thought amongst "experts" in the national realm is that this draft is loaded with no great players, your stance is wrong. if there were any "impact players" at the 15 spot, then you would be accurate; however, this is not the case. I saw Mayok say a couple weeks back that you can take all 32 "top" players this year, shuffle them up and you'd have some teams draft board. Here is this from Peter King's column yesterday LINK

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As the smoke begins to clear for the 2013 draft, this is obvious: No one loves the top of it. No one. When you talk to league people, you hear over and over about how this is a middle-class draft, with an egalitarian class from the teens until the middle of the second round, and no real can't-miss stars at the top.
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This is not his opinion; it is his reporting of what he is being told. So before you start rolling your eyes at peoples' desire to trade back, you may want to stop and look at your opinion as not being the one that is dominated by the people in the know. Also, just stop using the term "impact player" at 15, because it has become quite clear that there is no true impact player in this draft.

Well played you Midget I agree totally to trade back slightly and try to get a 2nd or 3rd.