re: Any other Star Trek:TOS fans hate the Abrams stuff?

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I can't endorse this opinion. I know pretty much how it went down: "Okay - we want to take some of the strong points of TNG - especially Q and the Borg, and blend them with DS9's strengths, the Gamma quadrant, the Bajoran-Cardassian conflict (via the Maquis), and return to the adventure/episodic format (versus the threaded, novel-like story of DS9) with a female captain."

I'm not saying it should have engendered excitement and the execution was spotty at times, but it is not a terrible premise. I've still never forgiven Seven of Nine for Obama. But that's a story for another time.

I just never liked Janeway. I thought she was terrible as captain, as bad a captain they had (until the late unpleasantness).

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seven of 9 was the only good thing that came from that show...

That being said, Janeway was terrible...beyond terrible...no way ship's captain would have sacrificed her crew the way she did. The pilot just killed it for me and I ignored it for several years dropping in now and then. I got what they wanted to do with it, but then they failed...I mean after all that time without ship yards and upkeep that ship would have begun to fall apart at the seams...yet there it was every week factory fresh.

DS9 was okay...too much like Babylon 5 (which it ultimetly eclipsed) right down the the galactic war. It at least had high points unlike voyager.