re: Rank the Batman films

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You have cartoons in front of Batman and Batman Begins? That's weak

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Willing to bet you haven't seen any of them, especially considering that all of those so called "cartoons" are much darker and more mature than Burton's Batman. Burton's Batman couldn't decide if it was going to be dark or just silly. None of those animated films are silly. People get beaten to death and shot and stabbed repeatably in these films, not to mention mass murder. In Burton's Batman, Joker is not in the least bit intimidating and pretty much does nothing of importance at the end, when in all the other animated films I listed he is pretty fricking terrifying and completely ruins Batman's life as well as all his loved ones. There are actual stakes and long term consequences in these movies, but who gives a shite with Burton's Batman? Burton's Batman had younger kids in mind compared to The Dark Knight Returns or Year One.

As far as Phantasm being higher than Begins, I like Batman's origin more in Phantasm than I do in Begins. Both excellent movies which I juggle on which I like more, but really Phantasm contains without question in my mind the greatest scene in any Batman film, and it puts it over the top for me: The Birth of Batman

The fact that you diss them for being animated speaks more for your maturity level. I guess Archer and South Park are for kiddies as well since they're animated.