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re: This is a bad football team and a mediocre franchise.
Posted on 12/30/12 at 4:34 pm to Champagne
Posted on 12/30/12 at 4:34 pm to Champagne
No idea why I am responding to your dumbass but I feel obligated to do.
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Yes, it is. A depleted team that went through unprecedented punishments. Lost head coach for the season, lost second line of command for the first 6. Lost GM, and several other distractions.
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Of all time? No The Cowboys are second all time in wins, but they haven't been relevant in 20 years. We are in the now, not the past.
Sean Payton is 69-43 as the Saints head coach, and in the previous three seasons he went 41-11, which was the most in the NFC during the time period. In that Span he won 4 playoff games, 2 division titles, and a Superbowl. In 2006 he led the Saints to a NFC Championship game in his first year.
The parity of the NFL these days does not allow such a thing. Even the Patriots haven't won a Superbowl in a long time. They have had a lot of success, but have also been in a division with week competition. The Steelers have won 2 Superbowls in recent memory, yet they have missed the playoffs a few times as well. You dream of a dynasty is not only ridiculous, but completely unrealistic. The success we've had recently has been seen from very few teams. The Saints are now a respected organization that has fielded the greatest offense of all time (statistics prove this), and have won a shite ton of games. All you can ask for is a chance, and we've had that.
We were 13-3 last season, we broke the all time yards record for an offense, and shattered other records along with it. Once again, this year deserves an asterisk. The defense needs improvement, and lots, and this will all be addressed in the draft and free agency.
Any true Saints fan is and always will be proud of this team, and we are especially proud of the people running the franchise for finally making us relevant after years of being the laughing stock of the NFL.
No one is happy with this season, in fact it's opposite. The head coach and FO have done a remarkable job over the years, and I assure you they are disgusted. However, I trust them to fix problems. I also know the this season was a fluke, and next year we will get back on track.
Ok, so stop sounding foolish
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What is the W/L record today of the New Orleans Saints?
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Isn't it mediocre?
Yes, it is. A depleted team that went through unprecedented punishments. Lost head coach for the season, lost second line of command for the first 6. Lost GM, and several other distractions.
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What is the W/L record of this franchise since 1967?
306-395-5
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Is it one of the superior franchises in NFL history?
Of all time? No The Cowboys are second all time in wins, but they haven't been relevant in 20 years. We are in the now, not the past.
Sean Payton is 69-43 as the Saints head coach, and in the previous three seasons he went 41-11, which was the most in the NFC during the time period. In that Span he won 4 playoff games, 2 division titles, and a Superbowl. In 2006 he led the Saints to a NFC Championship game in his first year.
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If I am an Owner or Head Coach, my objective is to build a superior NFL franchise -- a Dynasty of Conference and Super Bowl Championships.
The parity of the NFL these days does not allow such a thing. Even the Patriots haven't won a Superbowl in a long time. They have had a lot of success, but have also been in a division with week competition. The Steelers have won 2 Superbowls in recent memory, yet they have missed the playoffs a few times as well. You dream of a dynasty is not only ridiculous, but completely unrealistic. The success we've had recently has been seen from very few teams. The Saints are now a respected organization that has fielded the greatest offense of all time (statistics prove this), and have won a shite ton of games. All you can ask for is a chance, and we've had that.
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We are mediocre compared to where we want to be.
We were 13-3 last season, we broke the all time yards record for an offense, and shattered other records along with it. Once again, this year deserves an asterisk. The defense needs improvement, and lots, and this will all be addressed in the draft and free agency.
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I don't want Saints Fans to stop being proud of the team or to stop loving the Saints. I am speaking from the perspective of what the Professionals running the franchise should be thinking.
Any true Saints fan is and always will be proud of this team, and we are especially proud of the people running the franchise for finally making us relevant after years of being the laughing stock of the NFL.
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We Saints fans can be happy with our team right now. Fine. There's lots to be happy about. But the Pros running the team? The head coach and the FO? They should be absolutely disgusted and extremely angry and dissatisfied
No one is happy with this season, in fact it's opposite. The head coach and FO have done a remarkable job over the years, and I assure you they are disgusted. However, I trust them to fix problems. I also know the this season was a fluke, and next year we will get back on track.
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And I don't take it personal that lots of fans want to bash me right now. I understand the desire to defend the home team.
Ok, so stop sounding foolish
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Posted on 12/30/12 at 4:48 pm to CocoLoco
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The head coach and FO have done a remarkable job over the years, and I assure you they are disgusted. However, I trust them to fix problems. I also know the this season was a fluke, and next year we will get back on track.
I trust Coach Payton and I believe he is disgusted. The HC and FO should also be angry with themselves for failing to build a quality NFL defense. I believe that they are.
The team is bad this season. I understand your rationalizations. They make sense. But, don't make excuses for these professionals. You sound foolish to make excuses for NFL professionals.
As for the overall history of this franchise, the win/loss record for both regular season and post-season are both losing records. It's not foolish to conclude that this is a mediocre historical record of accomplishment.
Yes, this FO, these coaches and some of these players have done some wonderful things since 2005. I can give them props for what they've done well, and at the same time, identify what they have failed to do well.
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