re: Official AR-15 thread

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Carson, you are too far gone down the ARFCOM path to reasonably debate with you. All I'll say is this, that chart doesn't mean anything. It's an arbitrary list of features that may or may not be necessary to the proper function of a rifle. It was compiled by some ARFCOM wannabe operator. For instance, Rock River produces guns for actual operators and they fall 3rd on the list. Their guns are actually in the field performing and killing bad guys, yet they are mere garbage on the list. The AR game has turned into how much useless bullshite can we add to the rifle and manufacturing process to make these wannabe operators purchase more shite. The last time you purchased a hunting rifle/shotgun did you compile a similar list? I bet you didn't. You probably couldn't even tell me without looking it up what the barrel, bolt, firing pin, etc. are made of. I bet you have no idea if the barrel on your favorite deer slayer is HPT tested or if its MPI. Was it done as a batch or individually? Is the coating on the outside of your deer rifle just plain blued or parked, because if it's not nitrided or type III hard coat anodized it's likely to disintegrate in your hands before next season. You probably couldn't answer those questions for any other gun in your collection (pistols/rifles/shotguns), but when it comes you your AR all of those features are all of a sudden very important. I'll bet the guy who made that chart as well as the people who hold it as religious doctrine couldn't even tell you off the top of their head if the bolt in their daily concealed carry is Carpenter 158, "the only acceptable metal for bolts". They trust their life to that gun everyday and probably couldn't answer if their daily concealed carry has half the features on the 'y' axis of that chart, which they deem absolutely necessary for a defense firearm. So, why does only the AR get this special attention? If you're looking for bragging rights purchase a rifle towards the left on that chart. If you want a good plinking rifle or hog slayer purchase any of the rifles on the list (except maybe not olympic) and you will be happy.

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You're in MN. You should shitcan the dpms and go see Greg Sullivan at Defensive Edge- who produces excellent guns. In our observations over the 12-14 years, we have had multiple problems with those guns. Fortunately, we rarely see them anymore. There is probably a reason for that... S/F Pat sends www.eagtactical.com

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Be cautious of the chamber. While they will swear it is 5.56, they are almost universally 223 ("everyone wants 223", "A tight chamber is more accurate") Good luck S/F Pat sends www.eagtactical.com

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I have used a MOACK on a lot of dpms chambers- back when we used to see them. We got metal out of everyone of them S/F Pat sends www.eagtactical.com

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There are much better options. However, much depends on what your use will be. For casual plinking? Probably OK. Anything else- look elswhere. FWIW, we see very few of these in class anymore. The last time was 7 brand new ones from a SWAT team. Only one sorta' worked. S/F Pat sends www.eagtactical.com

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Our issue guns are DPMS guns and right out of the box they were failing left and right. Extractors, bolts, carriers, gas keys, mag-releases, selector switches, gas blocks, bolt catches were all going down in a burning wreck in the first weeks. I'm DXing everything DPMS in my home. I pretty dissapointed to have to depend on this thing but from the looks of it around here, if shite hits the fan, there will be plenty of Colts laying around.

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My agency bought four DPMS AR's for our team. Out of that four only one is servicable and luckily it's mine. The other three had such significant headspace problems that they are sitting in their cases in the back of the vault. I'll tell you this. In about two weeks I'll be buying a AR and it wont be a DPMS.

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Back before I knew better, I SBR'd a DPMS lower receiver. The pin holes are oversize, so the pins walk out after a few mags. Be sure you check the holes before you install the FCG. You will probably be fine using only the lower if the holes mic good. Just be damned sure you replace EVERY other part you possibly can with quality components.

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