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re: Worst LSU coach in history?
Posted on 12/11/12 at 1:59 pm to clamdip
Posted on 12/11/12 at 1:59 pm to clamdip
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Todd Kinchen correctly said of that 1987 team, "the three stooges could have coached that team to 10 wins." It was loaded, thanks to Arnsparger.
then why didn't Arnsparger ever win 10 games? I do think Archer was in over his head, but 1986-87 are the two best years LSU had in a 30 year span. Not two best consecutive season, two beat seasons, period. And Archer was the coach for it. He gets SOME credit for that.
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Archer was a terrible head coach. There is a reason he never even sniffed a HC job again. He is not HC material. Yes, he was and is a decent DC, but he failed miserably at 2 of the 3 things you need to be a successful head coach.
And a lot of that was from being promoted too young. It was the Peter Principle in action. Had he gotten the job 10 years later, I think he would have done a far better job. Yes, he deserved to get fired. No, he was not a great coach. But to pretend he had no successes at LSU is completely false. He was the coach for our best two seasons in a 30 year span. He just couldn't sustain a program. He didn't know how to run a major college program and it showed.
Not everything is so damn linear. Archer did have incredible success at first, and ignoring that ignores the full picture of the man. He was completely overwhelmed from being promoted too young. But he did have success early.
He won with Arnsparger's talent? True. But he won more than Arnsparger did, so what does that say about him?
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Posted on 12/11/12 at 2:10 pm to Baloo
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It was the Peter Principle in action.
1st time I've ever seen it applied to a football coach. Good analysis.
Posted on 12/11/12 at 2:15 pm to Baloo
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I do think Archer was in over his head, but 1986-87 are the two best years LSU had in a 30 year span
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He was the coach for our best two seasons in a 30 year span
Baloo, in 1986 (9-3) Arnsparger was the head coach and his previous year, 1985, LSU finished 9-2-1
Archer's first year was 1987 (10-1-1)
Archer's second season 1988 we finished 8-4, then 4-7 in 1989 and 5-6 in 1990.
This post was edited on 12/11/12 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 12/11/12 at 2:26 pm to Baloo
quote:Because Arnsparger didn't win his bowl games, mainly against Nebraska, whereas Archer was lucky enough in 1987 to face an outmanned USCe team.
then why didn't Arnsparger ever win 10 games?
quote:Arnsparger was the coach in 1986 (SEC Champs), not Archer
I do think Archer was in over his head, but 1986-87 are the two best years LSU had in a 30 year span. Not two best consecutive season, two beat seasons, period. And Archer was the coach for it. He gets SOME credit for that.
quote:Again, you're giving the credit for the wrong year to Archer.
He was the coach for our best two seasons in a 30 year span.
Arnsparger:
1984 - He takes LSU from WINLESS in the SEC under Stovall in 1983 to an 8-2-1 record and a date with a very good top 5 Nebraska team in the Sugar Bowl.
1985 - 9-1-1 and a lame assignment with Baylor in the Liberty Bowl. Another bowl loss (yes, not cool). Missed out on SEC championship by a hair.
1986 - 9-2, SEC CHAMPS, get whipped again by a very good top 5 Nebraska team in the Sugar Bowl.
[18 WINS OVER 2 SEASONS]
Archer:
1987 - Takes Arnsparger's players and goes 9-1-1 and beats USCe in bowl game. 10 wins. Congrats.
1988 - 8-4 including an embarrasing bowl loss. Recruiting falling off the map. Team looks undisciplined most of the time.
[18 WINS OVER 2 SEASONS, like Arnsparger, but the trend is not his friend...]
1989 - 4-7.
1990 - 5-6. Talent gap between LSU and SEC contenders is huge. (Gary Pegues, white DBs, Sol Graves, etc.)
Archer couldn't carry Arnsparger's jock.
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