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re: It's almost as if some of you don't watch the games
Posted on 10/21/12 at 11:26 am to Draconian Sanctions
Posted on 10/21/12 at 11:26 am to Draconian Sanctions
There is only so much the coaches can do is an excuse if you are isolating this season, but it has been years since LSU could throw the ball, I mean years. This has happened the entire Les Miles era, his teams are completely incompetent in the passing game. He has had bad QB's, but even when he has had future NFL players on the roster they have been passed over for lesser talents. Jordan Jefferson is done playing QB (now that Miles isn't coaching him) while Jarret Lee is a backup in San Diego. JaMarcus Russell is living off whatever is left of his signing bonus while Matt Flynn is playing in Seattle. In the national championship game last year, with well over a month to prepare when the offense (predictably) melted down under Jeferson the coaching staff was unable to make adjustments and had no plan B going in. At one point in the 3rd quarter with the game well in reach the cameras caught Jordan Jefferson hanging his head on the sideline with tears in his eyes, he had clearly quit, and they still didn't pull him. The offensive coaches just have no idea what to do, and at this point you have to place the blame on Les Miles. He just can't figure out the passing game. I have lost confidence in Miles (and I've been a die hard supporter).
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Posted on 10/21/12 at 11:27 am to Draconian Sanctions
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This is not a scheme issue.
of course it is. don't you play madden football?
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There is only so much the coaches can do.
but our coaches are dumb, blind and don't know more about football that our average 19 yr old fan.
all sarcasm aside, this football team is not oregon nor built like them. we are not like west virginia, nor are we like texas a&m and tcu. we are a power running team. we are only trying to learn how to pass effetively because stacking the box against us has been successful. the OL and our ability to pass block has been a huge problem this year; HUGE. it's really a mess. maybe our OL is just too young and our older guys just were not that good at pass blocking and picking up stunts.
Posted on 10/21/12 at 11:29 am to Draconian Sanctions
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We have gone shotgun and tried to throw it around in every single game this year. The line just can't hold that long and the receivers can't get separation. This is not a scheme issue. We attempted 29 passes yesterday and IMO if anything we tried to pass too much. Jeremy Hill had 120 plus yards in 18 carries. We are who we are. There is only so much the coaches can do.
Agree. The play calling was decent. Mett missed a lot of open guys down the field. The wind was a factor but he will need to convert these throws in 2 weeks. The only series I question is 3 straight dives to set up a 50 yard fg.
This post was edited on 10/21/12 at 11:31 am
Posted on 10/21/12 at 11:30 am to TigerDat
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damn if he does damned if he don't
This is why I just let the coaching staff do their jobs
Posted on 10/21/12 at 11:30 am to Draconian Sanctions
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This is not a scheme issue.
Jesus. Do you watch the games?
Posted on 10/21/12 at 11:31 am to Draconian Sanctions
I agree to an extent.
1) Coaching and scheming can help create alot of opportunities. Look what A&M did to us the first half.
2). Metts passing gives me flashbacks of JJ. A better passer would be making more of those throws.
3) The WR have dropped too many, but i still have blame more on the QB.
1) Coaching and scheming can help create alot of opportunities. Look what A&M did to us the first half.
2). Metts passing gives me flashbacks of JJ. A better passer would be making more of those throws.
3) The WR have dropped too many, but i still have blame more on the QB.
Posted on 10/21/12 at 11:31 am to Rex
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they're quite a bit more diversified with deception, screens, draws.
very good at crosses also
Posted on 10/21/12 at 11:32 am to TheBob
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Anything to place blame on anyone other than Miles.
you really can't mean this. miles is the most blamed coach in america. ok, maybe chizik is but he is 1-7 not 7-1 like miles is.
Posted on 10/21/12 at 11:34 am to Draconian Sanctions
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how many times do people here need to tell you that the majority of our passes were slants and curls/comebacks???????? for you to get it?? You think teams are not seeing those tendencies??? Did you hear what Griese said during the game about Miles' tendencies??? Where have we tried to use the whole field and throw all the plays i listed in previous posts?????? Where????
still awaiting your answer
Posted on 10/21/12 at 11:34 am to Topwater Trout
I actually think the o-line pass protected well. Mett stepped up when he had to. Just overthrew way too many passes. On a positive note, I'd rather have them overthrown than underthrown.
This post was edited on 10/21/12 at 11:37 am
Posted on 10/21/12 at 11:34 am to Draconian Sanctions
quote:I agree
Draconian Sanctions
Posted on 10/21/12 at 11:35 am to mattz1122
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Jesus. Do you watch the games?
see what i mean by irony.
Posted on 10/21/12 at 11:49 am to Topwater Trout
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You must not watch LSU or any other teams if you believe coaching and scheme has nothing to do with our offensive woes
+10000
Posted on 10/21/12 at 11:49 am to Draconian Sanctions
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We have gone shotgun and tried to throw it around in every single game this year. The line just can't hold that long and the receivers can't get separation. This is not a scheme issue. We attempted 29 passes yesterday and IMO if anything we tried to pass too much. Jeremy Hill had 120 plus yards in 18 carries. We are who we are. There is only so much the coaches can do.
I disagree. The current woes of the offense are a the product of an intersection between poor execution, simplistic design, and quizzical playcalling. Talent alone didn't dicate that we run into nine man fronts on several key third downs. Talent alone didn't dictate that we call another ineffectual roll-out in the red zone. Talent alone didn't dictate that we continuously run a toss play that wasn't working, or that our route design be remedial, or that we run a WR screen in the RZ after it had failed earlier. Talent alone doesn't require our playcalling to be predictable and plodding. Schools with far less physical talent than LSU nonetheless have more potent, exciting offenses.
This is not the best offense LSU is capable of producing. If you put these same players in the hands of a superior OC, I guarantee you he would generate superior results. Again, with the exact same personnel. I mean, do you really believe that La Tech has better offensive players than LSU? No. They just have better offensive coaches.
Now, the coaches certainly aren't alone in their failures. When Mett has a wide open receiver, he should probably go ahead and throw the pass in his general vicinity.
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There is only so much the coaches can do.
Actually, if our available talent is SO limited that the very best we can do tactically is eke out a few late TD's, then the coaches are equally responsible. After all, it's the coaches' job to accurately evaluate prospects, recruit talented players, sign athletes who will excel on the field, instruct those athletes, motivate those athletes, and create a scheme that puts those athletes in a position to succeed. If our players are as inept as you are implying - and again I don't believe it - that's on the coaches too. They should have recruited better ones.
Posted on 10/21/12 at 11:57 am to The312
All I am saying: What must the players on the offensive side of the ball be thinking when they continue to go three and out, and they continue to stall drives with no touchdowns? also What are the defensive players thinking when they keep having to go back on the field after extremely short offensive series? You have to put yourself in their shoes. At some point if i was a player, i do think i'd be beginning to lose trust in the offensive coaches and head coach.
Posted on 10/21/12 at 12:01 pm to Fat Bastard
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Where have we tried to use the whole field and throw all the plays i listed in previous posts?
Mett threw it deep at least 7 times yesterday.. he overthrew open receivers 6 of those.
im not agreeing with DS either, because we did try to stretch the field, the line did hold up, and the receivers were open.. Mett just missed them. Not necessarily all his fault, because that timing comes from tons of reps, which i seriously doubt he gets.
all that being said, im perfectly fine being a running team
Posted on 10/21/12 at 12:01 pm to TigerDat
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I believe this offense is under a transition period that is have MAJOR growing pains and believe that eventually
This has been true since 2007 already. CLM cannot get an offense that can produce in crunch time.
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and believe that eventually (hopefully 2 weeks from now) it will come together.
This is a pipe dream. Explain what will happen by Nov 3 that will change the O? Will the line begin to pass protect, the receivers stop catching with stone hands, Mett show some pocket presence? Hope so, but doubt it.
Posted on 10/21/12 at 12:04 pm to Veritas
Mett rarely sets his feet properly before he throws. I don't think anyone on LSU's coaching staff knows how to teach proper throwing mechanics, if they do it isn't sinking in.
Posted on 10/21/12 at 12:13 pm to The312
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They should have recruited better ones.
Very well put, all of it. This is the reason coaches are fired. Can someone on this board, and there are many based on their comments, who can explain how La. Tech hangs more than 1/2 a hundred on aTm, but LSU struggles to get less than half of that? I cannot. I think the La. Tech QB is better that LSU's, but at some point one has to hold the coaches responsible, one way or another. They build the team, practice it and make the game plans and in-game decisions. The latter two are highly suspect from the offensive side of things. It needs to change if LSU is achieve any of its goals.
Posted on 10/21/12 at 12:13 pm to Snakebucket
quote:you just contradicted yourself. we try something "creative" that has proven to be successful elsewhere and you say we're not being creative. the players just aren't executing. obviously rz is the biggest problem. we've tried wildcat, jump ball, run inside, run outside, slant, everything except te over the middle. the players just aren't getting it done.
This offense has no imagination. We need some creativity. And how about that Ware Wildcat?
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