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re: Mett and reading defenses...many of you have mentioned that he has
Posted on 10/7/12 at 8:41 pm to TupeloTiger
Posted on 10/7/12 at 8:41 pm to TupeloTiger
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TupeloTiger
Yes...makes perfect sense. Thanks! How much say does the coach have in all this? Does he just give the QB free reign? I would assume so. If that's the case then Mett must not being doing very well at looking at the defenders and making the change.
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Posted on 10/7/12 at 8:43 pm to seanerin
hill hasn't picked up or pointed out a blitz all season
Posted on 10/7/12 at 8:47 pm to GetmorewithLes
Reading defenses means, looking at where the defenders are lining up and using that information to guess what defense they are playing. An example of this would be if their defenders are lining up directly in front of you receivers and backs, they are "manning up," or more than likely playing "Man-to-Man." Another would be if their "Safeties," or two deepest defenders, are dividing the field in half, then they are most likely in some sort of "two deep" defense. It would be a two deep zone if their defenders are not lined up in front of your receivers and appear to be prepared to guard an area.
Quarterbacks need to know this, so they have a reasonable chance of running a successful play.
Quarterbacks need to know this, so they have a reasonable chance of running a successful play.
This post was edited on 10/7/12 at 9:23 pm
Posted on 10/7/12 at 8:54 pm to GetmorewithLes
with regards to the passing game the qb gets his initial indicator by safety alignment. is it 2 high, 1 high, or no high? by "high" typically what is meant is deeper than 10 yards. if 2 high, you are looking at cover 2, 4, palms, or 2 man. Of the 2 zone varieties you might see squat 2, tampa 2, or 2 sink. Expect 4 man pressure.
If 1 high, coverages are typically limited to cover 3 and man free. 4 or 5 man pressures are expected.
If no high it is most likely cover 0 (straight man - no safety help) expect a 6 man pressure.
These rules only apply if the defense aligns this way pre-snap and are considered easy. The difficulty arises in that most defenses show a 2 high look and then roll either just before the snap or post snap. So they may show cover 4 and right after the snap roll a safety over the top to a deep third and bring a cobra stunt (corner blitz). the result is what is called a "fire zone" = 5 man pressure with 3 deep and 3 underneath. typically a fire zone brings pressure from the boundary (short side) to mitigate their only being 3 underneath defenders. there are all sorts of games played from a 2 high look that make it so difficult on a qb. the safety can roll to flats to replace a blitzing olb, roll to the hook-curl zone to replace a mike, or roll over the top to replace a corner on a cobra call. mix all these in with cover 2, palms, and screaming safeties down at the last minute to play straight man and bring a 6 man pressure and what you've got is a real shite storm. Miles' plan has always been to run effectively enough to force one high and take advantage of the easy reads that 1 high affords
I haven't even gone in to determining what kind of pressure might be coming. you can be picking your teeth up if they bring 4 from a side and you don't see it so you only have 3 in protection. remember when Tebow got knocked out vs. kentucky? totally his fault - 3 man pressure showing to a 2 protection side. should have check protections or unloaded it in a hurry. You miss one, you get teed off on.
Run checks are relatively easy. what front are you seeing? If they get a certain look they may run inside zone. vs. another they may want to run power O or stretch. All of those bubbles people were bitching about were run calls with a bubble to account for an apexed (splitting the difference between slot and tackle) outside linebacker.
hope this helps
If 1 high, coverages are typically limited to cover 3 and man free. 4 or 5 man pressures are expected.
If no high it is most likely cover 0 (straight man - no safety help) expect a 6 man pressure.
These rules only apply if the defense aligns this way pre-snap and are considered easy. The difficulty arises in that most defenses show a 2 high look and then roll either just before the snap or post snap. So they may show cover 4 and right after the snap roll a safety over the top to a deep third and bring a cobra stunt (corner blitz). the result is what is called a "fire zone" = 5 man pressure with 3 deep and 3 underneath. typically a fire zone brings pressure from the boundary (short side) to mitigate their only being 3 underneath defenders. there are all sorts of games played from a 2 high look that make it so difficult on a qb. the safety can roll to flats to replace a blitzing olb, roll to the hook-curl zone to replace a mike, or roll over the top to replace a corner on a cobra call. mix all these in with cover 2, palms, and screaming safeties down at the last minute to play straight man and bring a 6 man pressure and what you've got is a real shite storm. Miles' plan has always been to run effectively enough to force one high and take advantage of the easy reads that 1 high affords
I haven't even gone in to determining what kind of pressure might be coming. you can be picking your teeth up if they bring 4 from a side and you don't see it so you only have 3 in protection. remember when Tebow got knocked out vs. kentucky? totally his fault - 3 man pressure showing to a 2 protection side. should have check protections or unloaded it in a hurry. You miss one, you get teed off on.
Run checks are relatively easy. what front are you seeing? If they get a certain look they may run inside zone. vs. another they may want to run power O or stretch. All of those bubbles people were bitching about were run calls with a bubble to account for an apexed (splitting the difference between slot and tackle) outside linebacker.
hope this helps
Posted on 10/7/12 at 8:58 pm to Cali 4 LSU
They do so much film study they know what coverage teams are in pre snap. Sure some teams disguise coverages better than others but even pro QBs get fooled. When you have 2 man routes there aren't many reads to make.
But with all that said does it matter if he can read defenses? Our offensive coaches obviously can't. Here is the simplest read....Throw the damn ball when they have 8-9 men in the box!
But with all that said does it matter if he can read defenses? Our offensive coaches obviously can't. Here is the simplest read....Throw the damn ball when they have 8-9 men in the box!
Posted on 10/7/12 at 9:00 pm to dahulk
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It would be a two deep zone if their defenders are lined up in front of your receivers and appear to be prepared to guard an area.
If this were the case, wouldn't the QB wanna throw a deep pass to a receiver that can break away from the defender in this zone coverage? I don't know, just trying to learn.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 9:01 pm to Topwater Trout
It does matter, because teams are exploiting his lack of ability to do so.
In the very first game he got destroyed on a corner blitz, and he STILL hasnt' shown the ability to see this coming.
That's not good.
In the very first game he got destroyed on a corner blitz, and he STILL hasnt' shown the ability to see this coming.
That's not good.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 9:04 pm to Cali 4 LSU
It seeing if the Defense look like they are trying to blitz or fall back into zone.
Most importantly, a quarter back have to take in the entire field at a glanc at the snap and NOT give away who he will be throwing to, in that second where he actually look up he have to look at how the defender moves to see if the LB are coming too him or if his Recievers are being covered by more then one.
In that one moment he have to take a mental picture and throw at where he know his reciever will be to make the catch.
Receivers run pre-determine route at timed interval. At a certain second and time they will run a pattern on the field and will not deivate from said pattern . That is what is drilled into them over and over again, to run their route not matter the out come.
There quarter back must read IE see ALL of the WR and how many dbs are trying to guard them one second after the snap when he looks up.
That is reading.
Most importantly, a quarter back have to take in the entire field at a glanc at the snap and NOT give away who he will be throwing to, in that second where he actually look up he have to look at how the defender moves to see if the LB are coming too him or if his Recievers are being covered by more then one.
In that one moment he have to take a mental picture and throw at where he know his reciever will be to make the catch.
Receivers run pre-determine route at timed interval. At a certain second and time they will run a pattern on the field and will not deivate from said pattern . That is what is drilled into them over and over again, to run their route not matter the out come.
There quarter back must read IE see ALL of the WR and how many dbs are trying to guard them one second after the snap when he looks up.
That is reading.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 9:07 pm to Cali 4 LSU
Nah, you want to catch them in between zones where there is a hole.
Best over the top match ups are LB on TEs, or fading on corners playing man to man
Best over the top match ups are LB on TEs, or fading on corners playing man to man
Posted on 10/7/12 at 9:09 pm to pilsnerpusher
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pilsnerpusher
WOW! Thanks alot! Some of that was over my head but I could get most of it. It seems somewhat difficult when a defense can give a "look" but then do something completely different. No wonder they say offense wins games but defense wins championships.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 9:16 pm to Cali 4 LSU
Thanks guys!!! Lots of good (educational) information for me. I LOVE knowing more about football than my husband. 
Posted on 10/7/12 at 9:17 pm to Cali 4 LSU
Just give a good BJ and he won't care. 
Posted on 10/7/12 at 9:22 pm to HMTVBrian2
He has been caught 3-4 times by the blindside corner blitz.
Not the entire problem with our offense.
LAst few years poor passing game was blamed on JJ....how long will it take for fans to realize it's not the players it's the scheme.
Not the entire problem with our offense.
LAst few years poor passing game was blamed on JJ....how long will it take for fans to realize it's not the players it's the scheme.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 9:24 pm to southernelite
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Just give a good BJ and he won't care
So true
So true
Posted on 10/7/12 at 9:25 pm to Topwater Trout
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how long will it take for fans to realize it's not the players it's the scheme.
What's the scheme? Is that the actual playcalling? By the coaches?
Posted on 10/7/12 at 9:31 pm to Cali 4 LSU
Ratio of run/pass
Offensive style (Pro, Spread....)
Etc.
Offensive style (Pro, Spread....)
Etc.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 9:41 pm to Cali 4 LSU
This is why u see the check with me stuff
Posted on 10/7/12 at 9:45 pm to Cali 4 LSU
By scheme I think it's apparent we don't have a comples passing game. Mostly 2 man routes with max protect. If we had a good scheme we would spread teams out and hit quick passes on the edges to get teams out of the box. It seems whatever the gameplan is for the game is not flexible to counter opposing defensive game plans.
Watch the bama offense against us last Nov and on 1/9.... They changed it up and attacked us with the pass on 1/9.
Watch the bama offense against us last Nov and on 1/9.... They changed it up and attacked us with the pass on 1/9.
Posted on 10/7/12 at 10:01 pm to Weaver
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This is why u see the check with me stuff
Is that when they get down ready to hike the ball but then all the players look to the sideline before snapping the ball? Cause I hate that shite!
Posted on 10/7/12 at 10:04 pm to Cali 4 LSU
Yep
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