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They are obviously too weak and too outnumbered to do that themselves. But have you ever wondered why they attached themselves to Bloodraven? A man of Valyrian descent with no ties to the first men (the children's last known allies)? Maybe because Bloodraven found a way to deliver them the army they needed. Maybe he found a way to bend their enemy to their will so that they fight for them?

I like the theory, and it is well thought out, but there is a whole lot of conjecture there. You are doing some real critical thinking. I like it.

Oh yeah, and while GRRM throws the stereotypical fairytale assumptions of good versus evil out the window with the regular citizens of Westeros, I do get the feeling he saves that for the COTF and Others (Good vs Evil).
I think he'll maintain that, which is why I have a hard time believing that the COTF would join the Others.

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Posted on 9/19/12 at 10:16 pm to Tiger in NY

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I like the theory, and it is well thought out, but there is a whole lot of conjecture there. You are doing some real critical thinking. I like it.

I just don't trust Bloodraven. There hasn't been one person in this series who did trust him and that is telling imo. He just wasn't a good person in basically EVERYONES eyes. Now of course that doesn't mean he wasn't. Look at Jaime, everyone thinks he is the scum of the earth but we know better. But how many people could be like Jaime Lannister? How many could handle that stigma and criticism yet still remain a good man? I didn't think anyone could until GRRM wrote Jaime Lannister.

Bloodraven is angry and he wants justice served upon the people who cast him out imo.

Now I by no means think this is 100% accurate or the be all end all of ASOIAF theories, but its the only take on Bloodraven that makes sense to me based off what we know now.

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Oh yeah, and while GRRM throws the stereotypical fairytale assumptions of good versus evil out the window with the regular citizens of Westeros, I do get the feeling he saves that for the COTF and Others (Good vs Evil). I think he'll maintain that, which is why I have a hard time believing that the COTF would join the Others.

Yet time and time again he proves to us that no one is purely "good" and no one is purely "evil". Yet he attempts to suck everyone of us into believing that the COTF are good and the Others are evil. Hes already made it clear there is no such thing in this world imo.

Everyone has their own agenda.

That is the only thing that has proved constant and reliable throughout this whole series. Everyone has their own power play.

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Posted on 9/20/12 at 10:10 am to Tiger in NY

The only description of Dawn I remember is from the ToJ scene:

"the hilt of the greatsword Dawn poked up over his right shoulder...he unsheathed Dawn, and held it with both hands. The blade was pale as Milkglass, alive with light."

Sounds way different than the Others' blades IMO.
I think Dawn is a one of a kind.

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