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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS

Posted on 4/8/13 at 9:47 am to
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Posted on 4/8/13 at 9:47 am to
When I first brought up Tyrion Targaryen thy, everyone took issue with Tywin and its effect on his character. I guess I don't get that. In the grand scope of the story, what difference would it make if Tywin was "the evil stepfather" -along with the other important hats he wears? How does this cuckolding change his relevance to the series? It doesn't. It actually adds some humanity to him via sympathy for him, and also rationalize his need for (the appearance of) total control.

However, I think Tyrion Targ is a red herring. The fact he has two different colored eyes is just too much-if it's what Martin wants us to suspect.

I really think its one of the twins, but not both. By definition, fraternal twins could be by two different fathers. Aerys wouldn't have waited that long to get at Joanna, if he did at all.

Of the two, Jaime would be the most "holy shite" choice, as he is the ONE Tywin would never suspect, or accept. His past "king(kin)slaying" explains his cursed recent history.

Now, in my theory, Tywin doesnt know Aerys had contact w Joanna, suspects, maybe, but be it rape or seduction or even affair in truth doesn't matter...Tywin only sees it as rape. Tywin still never suspects any of his kids aren't his...until Tyrion is born. His newborn's deformity just couldn't have come from him, and in conjunction with Joanna's death, affirms his suspicions after the fact. He could not kill the child, or even mention his suspicions, as Tywin would not allow such scandal at Casterly Rock. Instead he took it out on Tyrion in more devious ways ( master of sewers, treatment of Tysha, etc) -His true son and lawful heir.

None of the kids ever knew or suspected Tywin wasn't their father.

Last part of my thy is Jon Arryn maybe knew more than anyone suspected, lending several levels of interperetation to his phrase "The seed is strong".
This post was edited on 4/8/13 at 12:25 pm
Posted by BloodSweat&Beers
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Posted on 4/8/13 at 9:49 am to
In what book is the Aerys and Joanna contact? I totally missed that.
Posted by Tiger1242
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Posted on 4/8/13 at 10:20 am to
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However, I think Tyrion Targ is a red herring. The fact he has two different colored eyes is just too much- it's what Martin wants us to suspect.

It's not really a red herring since you seem to be the only one who thinks it
Posted by Hugo Stiglitz
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 4/8/13 at 10:21 am to
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When I first brought up Tyrion Targaryen thy, everyone took issue with Tywin and its effect on his character. I guess I don't get that. In the grand scope of the story, what difference would it make if Tywin was "the evil stepfather" -along with the other important hats he wears? How does this cuckolding change his relevance to the series? It doesn't. It actually adds some humanity to him via sympathy for him, and also rationalize his need for (the appearance of) total control.

I agree with this.

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Last part of my thy is Jon Arryn maybe knew more than anyone suspected, lending several levels of interperetation to his phrase "The seed is strong".

I also agree with this.

I think he was referring to the Targaryen seed being strong and not Baratheon, even though the Baratheons were decedents of Targareons and also strong.

I also don't but Lysa being one ultimately behind Jon Arryn's death, she was pretty easy to manipulate.

Crackpot Theory: Jon Arryn was on to discovering something about a Targaryen decedent, could have been Jon, Tyrion, Aegon, who knows... Varys was probably behind his death and led Ned Stark down the Cersei/Jaime incest road in order to start a war with the Lannisters, Starks, and Baratheons keeping the stability of the throne fragile.

Are we really suppose to believe Varys knew the poison but didn't know the murderer of Jon Arryn?

Pycelle was probably right when he said poison was the weapon of eunuches and women.
This post was edited on 4/8/13 at 10:36 am
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 4/8/13 at 10:48 am to
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When I first brought up Tyrion Targaryen thy, everyone took issue with Tywin and its effect on his character. I guess I don't get that. In the grand scope of the story, what difference would it make if Tywin was "the evil stepfather" -along with the other important hats he wears? How does this cuckolding change his relevance to the series? It doesn't. It actually adds some humanity to him via sympathy for him, and also rationalize his need for (the appearance of) total control.


Sorry, but it changes up Tyrion's and Tywin's relationship completely. You're supposed to be pretty horrified on how horrible Tywin treats Tyrion. If the Tyrion Targ theory is true, then Tywin turns instantly understandable from what we knew of his character. Sorry, I just despise that.

This post was edited on 4/23/13 at 7:17 pm
Posted by shinerfan
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Posted on 4/8/13 at 11:12 am to
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However, I think Tyrion Targ is a red herring.



It could well be a red herring. But there are just two many little clues to all be unintentional. Tywin's book comment to Tyrion about not being able to prove he isn't his son makes no sense whatsoever if he didn't harbor some suspicion. (FWIW, the Aerys/Joanna story told by Barristan in Dance probably lessened my confidence more than added to it. It seemed a little forced and just tacked on to fuel online debate. But Martin couldn't have possibly imagined the series' online life when he was writing GoT.)

What I do have a great deal of confidence in is that the mentions of the dragon's attraction to Brown Ben Plum is setting up the eventual reveal of a secret Targ. If we're right about Aegon being a Blackfyre then I don't see him as a candidate. It could be Jon Snow, but I still see Tyrion as the likely reveal.
This post was edited on 4/8/13 at 11:13 am
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