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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
Posted on 3/7/13 at 3:46 pm to Mr. Wayne
Posted on 3/7/13 at 3:46 pm to Mr. Wayne
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*Mr. Wayne*
Stannis gets a TON of love on this board, so you won't find much support here, but I'm with you.
Stannis' "honor" is sort of a sham imo. He only hears what he wants to and turned his back on everything, his wife, his gods, to embrace whatever would get him the throne which he sees as his "by rights".
Hell, he murdered his own brother, and in a most DISHONORABLE way possible. He's a straight up kinslayer. And he didn't even have the sack to do it himself in single combat, but left it to witchcraft and sorcery.
I was shocked by all the love he got when the series came out. I kind of hated him in the books, although he has moments where Davos or Jon are able to pull the honorable side of him out, but overall he's blinded by his obsession with taking the throne and allows Melisandre to overtake any honor he has deep inside. He's driven as much by spite over being spurned by Robert when he gave Storm's End to Renly than about the good of the realm.
Stannis is no true king, and hides behind false honor and piety imo.
Hell, even Eddard Stark was wary of Stannis and had no love for him, even though Ned would have supported his claim with the info he had at the time, but not because of his belief in his ability to rule.
I mean, Stannis was going to kill Robert's son to further his claim, something we know Ned would never have allowed.
I know Stannis' theme is everyone's favorite, but I just don't get the love for his character. He is clearly being controlled by a darkness, and Jon and Davos, two people whose honor is beyond question have ZERO trust or respect for Mel, and Stannis is 100% being controlled by her.
Unless Stannis abandons Mel, he will meet a dark and dishonorable death, and that's pretty clear IMO.
This post was edited on 3/7/13 at 3:55 pm
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Posted on 3/7/13 at 4:10 pm to Tiger Voodoo
quote:
Stannis gets a TON of love on this board, so you won't find much support here, but I'm with you.
Stannis' "honor" is sort of a sham imo. He only hears what he wants to and turned his back on everything, his wife, his gods, to embrace whatever would get him the throne which he sees as his "by rights".
Hell, he murdered his own brother, and in a most DISHONORABLE way possible. He's a straight up kinslayer. And he didn't even have the sack to do it himself in single combat, but left it to witchcraft and sorcery.
I was shocked by all the love he got when the series came out. I kind of hated him in the books, although he has moments where Davos or Jon are able to pull the honorable side of him out, but overall he's blinded by his obsession with taking the throne and allows Melisandre to overtake any honor he has deep inside. He's driven as much by spite over being spurned by Robert when he gave Storm's End to Renly than about the good of the realm.
Stannis is no true king, and hides behind false honor and piety imo.
Hell, even Eddard Stark was wary of Stannis and had no love for him, even though Ned would have supported his claim with the info he had at the time, but not because of his belief in his ability to rule.
I mean, Stannis was going to kill Robert's son to further his claim, something we know Ned would never have allowed.
I know Stannis' theme is everyone's favorite, but I just don't get the love for his character. He is clearly being controlled by a darkness, and Jon and Davos, two people whose honor is beyond question have ZERO trust or respect for Mel, and Stannis is 100% being controlled by her.
Unless Stannis abandons Mel, he will meet a dark and dishonorable death, and that's pretty clear IMO.
Damn, good post. Never really thought of Stannis in that regard.
Posted on 3/8/13 at 8:06 am to Tiger Voodoo
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but I just don't get the love for his character.
I love him because he is the funniest character in the books. He has some great one-liners.
Posted on 3/8/13 at 8:35 am to Tiger Voodoo
quote:
Tiger Voodoo
My take on Stannis is that he did cut and dry "honorable" for so long (basically up until we meet him in CoKs) that he finally just got fed up with getting the short end of the stick going that route. It's not just about getting passed over with Storm's End with him. He talks at length in CoK about Ned Stark being named Hand of the King when it should've been him as well. And that he knew Robert treated Ned as a brother far more then him or Renly. I think despite his facade that wounded him far deeper then he lets on. He honored his Gods and they gave him a cold wife, a daughter with Greyscale, and a couple of brothers who DGAF about him. They also gave him the experience of witnessing his parents smashed upon the rocks outside of Dragonstone. I don't agree with his stances but I can understand how he got down that path knowing all of that.
Now that's not to say he doesn't deserve whatever comes to him as a result. And I think you're right in that it's not going to be pretty when he goes out. But there are very few truly honorable characters to the core in the series so I have a hard time having so much ire for him.
And let's be honest, Jamie Lannister pushes kids out windows and fricks his sister but he's probably a favorite as well (he's certainly one of mine). Moral compasses are a bit skewed with these guys.
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