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re: Jimmy Graham could become the best ever.
Posted on 2/22/12 at 4:20 pm to LaBornNRaised
Posted on 2/22/12 at 4:20 pm to LaBornNRaised
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Jimmy Graham could become the best ever.
he isn't already?
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Posted on 2/22/12 at 10:32 pm to drake20
Brady goes for 3 players on the pats.
Gronk, Hernandez, and Welker
Brees goes to 5
Graham, Colston, Sporles, Thomas, Moore.
Gronk, Hernandez, and Welker
Brees goes to 5
Graham, Colston, Sporles, Thomas, Moore.
Posted on 2/22/12 at 11:09 pm to Rex Manning
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But this would be like me starting a thread on the MSB saying I think Aldon Smith will end up being the best pass rusher ever
No it wouldn't. It would be like you starting a thread on the MSB saying you think Aldon Smith could end up being the best pass rusher ever. See the OP.
When a guy has more sacks in his rookie year than anyone in history that would not be an outrageous idea to forward. Sure just a start but no one has ever started better. Likewise Graham didn't just have a fantastic sophmore year. He had arguably the best year by a TE ever. He knows not to drink n drive too.
Posted on 2/22/12 at 11:44 pm to blueslover
It would help if Graham and Sproles didn't always have to chip block pass rushers bc Payton doesn't trust Strief and Bushrod.
IMO that is the only reason Gronk had better numbers than Graham. New England has better offensive tackles that don't need chip help.
IMO that is the only reason Gronk had better numbers than Graham. New England has better offensive tackles that don't need chip help.
Posted on 2/23/12 at 12:11 am to blueslover
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He had arguably the best year by a TE ever
That is kind of what I was getting at. If he puts together a string of seasons like this one then it is definitely in the realm of a possibility.
Posted on 2/23/12 at 1:01 am to ColtsTigers
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New England has better offensive tackles that don't need chip help.
Quite the opposite broseph, the Patriots offense lives off of chip blocks just as the Saints do
Posted on 2/24/12 at 10:23 pm to LaBornNRaised
Posted on 2/25/12 at 2:54 am to CaliforniaTiger
Guess my son will thank me when he gets older!!....LINK /
Posted on 2/25/12 at 7:36 am to Crimson06
I'd take Graham over Gronk 10 out 10 times.
Gronk is good, no doubt but just b/c he had a few more yards and tds doesn't make him "better".
Brady basically threw to Welker and Gronk all year whereas Drew throws to everyone on the team. The fact Graham put up the numbers he did as much as the ball is spread around in this offense really says something
Gronk is good, no doubt but just b/c he had a few more yards and tds doesn't make him "better".
Brady basically threw to Welker and Gronk all year whereas Drew throws to everyone on the team. The fact Graham put up the numbers he did as much as the ball is spread around in this offense really says something
Posted on 2/26/12 at 2:14 pm to TigerBait1127
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what makes gronk better than graham? I feel. graham makes much more athletic plays
Gronk actually blocks?
Pretty soon, the bigger TEs that never stay in to block are going to have their own position name. I'm not ragging on Jimmy Graham, he's a gigantic WR, not unlike Antonio Gates or Jermicheal Finley.
Posted on 2/26/12 at 2:20 pm to SaintLSUnAtl
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I'd take Graham over Gronk 10 out 10 times.
Whats up homer?
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Gronk is good, no doubt but just b/c he had a few more yards and tds doesn't make him "better".
The fact he's among the best blockers in the league, and tops among TEs as rated by Pro Football Focus?
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Brady basically threw to Welker and Gronk all year whereas Drew throws to everyone on the team. The fact Graham put up the numbers he did as much as the ball is spread around in this offense really says something
Aaron Hernandez came within 90 yards of being a 1000 yard receiver too, which means there were three WRs with AT LEAST 900 yards. That seems like he was spreading it out, its just insanely stupid to not go after obvious mismatches on the field.
Oh, and for the record, Jimmy Graham had more targets than Gronk, about 25 more to be exact.
LINK
Posted on 2/26/12 at 2:24 pm to Jcorye1
Jimmy isn't the blocker Gonk is, but he's no slouch at it either. He's knocks people on their arse on the reg.
Posted on 2/26/12 at 2:27 pm to Jcorye1
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Whats up homer?
do you in any way, shape, or form have the right to call ANYONE this?
Posted on 2/26/12 at 2:30 pm to Patrick O Rly
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Jimmy isn't the blocker Gonk is, but he's no slouch at it either. He's knocks people on their arse on the reg.
Let me get this one hundred percent straight. We are quite possibly looking at two of the greatest TEs the game will ever see, assuming no injuries. Any arguments that I can make can, and will be countered at some point.
It was pretty telling to me that when the Saints wanted to run, they would change their package to get someone else on the field to block, and either pull Jimmy out, or bump him down.
Posted on 2/26/12 at 2:32 pm to St Augustine
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do you in any way, shape, or form have the right to call ANYONE this?
Fwiw, there's a thread on the MSB Board right now that has me bashing some of the Pats moves/policies
Plus I wouldn't take Gronk 10 times outta 10. Jimmy could all of a sudden have everything he's ever learned in football just click, and is a supreme athlete. If you split him out, he'd be better than Gronk too.
Posted on 2/26/12 at 2:43 pm to Jcorye1
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Jimmy could all of a sudden have everything he's ever learned in football just click
It's only been about 3 years worth...which is scary.
I'd counter your blocking argument with the fact that Graham seems to be exponentially less the meathead that fistpumping sasquatch is.
I do think Gronkowski could be top 5 ever at the position.
This post was edited on 2/26/12 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 2/26/12 at 2:51 pm to St Augustine
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I'd counter your blocking argument with the fact that Graham seems to be exponentially less the meathead that fistpumping sasquatch is.
I've been dying to find that sound bite where Ryan Russilo said he was the biggest meat head he's ever seen and Gronk says "thanks".
As long as he has football intelligence and he's not shooting dogs or some other stupid stupid publicity stuff, he can be as dumb as a rock for all I care.
Posted on 2/26/12 at 2:53 pm to Jcorye1
actually where I got that from
Posted on 2/26/12 at 2:57 pm to St Augustine
Our coach is an evil supergenius, our QB has become the definition of a west coast metrosexual, our star TE bangs pornstars and fist pumps, are budding star LB AND star DT have both poked people in the eyes before and half our roster has been involved in some sort of marijuana situation.
Its sad that I'm completely fine with all that.
Posted on 2/26/12 at 3:01 pm to Jcorye1
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Its sad that I'm completely fine with all that.
But who wouldn't be!
As per gronk...can't say seen much 'cept highlites but I woudn't trade JG for no one.
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