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re: Will Andrew Luck have a better rookie year than Cam Newton?

Posted on 2/16/12 at 12:22 pm to
Posted by molsusports
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Posted on 2/16/12 at 12:22 pm to
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They aren't loaded by any means, but they're not completely devoid of talent.



the offensive talent is past its prime and needed PM more than they realized

I think AL might turn out to be an All Pro level QB eventually but he won't be able to do near what Manning got out of them IMO (at least not in his first 3 years)
Posted by Kafka
I am the moral conscience of TD
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Posted on 2/16/12 at 3:55 pm to
Linsanity >>> Lucky Dog

FACT
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
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Posted on 2/16/12 at 3:56 pm to
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I hate this argument against a player when he's the best player on a bad team


QB is going to throw the ball more when the team is losing. Just because you hate the argument doesn't mean it isn't valid
Posted by CFBFAN1121
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Posted on 2/16/12 at 5:16 pm to
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Luck is the superior prospect because he is more polished, runs his complex offense by himself at the line (which is astounding), played in a pro style system, and has no known weaknesses as a prospect.


People are overstating this "Luck ran the offense by himself" notion. I heard his coach specifically say the extent of Luck "calling his own plays" was him having an option to call 3 different plays at the line of scrimmage.

My QB in high school had the same freedom at the line of scrimmage. Calling audibles at the line of scrimmage isn't earth shattering for a QB, even on the high school level

Posted by beatbammer
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 2/17/12 at 7:59 am to
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QB is going to throw the ball more when the team is losing. Just because you hate the argument doesn't mean it isn't valid


Cam Newton was 13th in the league in pass attempts.

QB's with more pass attempts than Newton? Stafford, Brees, Brady, Manning, Rivers, Fitzpatrick, Ryan, Freeman, Sanchez, Flacco, Romo, and Hasselbeck.

Considering the list above, I don't see any correlation really between "throwing the ball more" and "losing".

If you're behind by say 2 points or 5 points with (for example) 12 minutes left in the game, does that mean you are going to "pass more"?
Posted by Sophandros
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Posted on 2/17/12 at 8:07 am to
People are taking a solid contextual concept and perverting it to fit their own agenda and narrative.

Even if you take into consideration that Carolina was a bad team, Newton's numbers are phenomenal. The anti-Newton crowd and their agenda (honestly, some of it is more sinister than they will publicly admit) is a great example of people who know enough to look foolish.
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