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Recruiting, 2012, and going forward.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 10:14 am
Posted on 2/2/12 at 10:14 am
After taking a day to process everything, this is what I have concluded.
Next years team is loaded. That being the case, there are really only 3 positions where a player could come in and make an immediate impact.
WR, LB, DB
Linebacker - We needed depth and we did pretty much all we could with this position. Sucks to lose Davis but we still pulled in 6 solid guys and we really need only 1 this year to contribute and provide depth.
DB- Also more of a depth issue. Collins would have probably played a lot this year, rotating with Loston. That being said, the guys we did pick up are solid and the guys that redshirted last year are solid as well.
WR- This is the only position that I feel like a guy could come in and start immediately. The JUCO would have been the most important pick up as far as this year is concerned. I just don't think the guys that we got are ready to contribute immediately. I'd say this may be our biggest miss.
Considering the depth we have, it makes it a little easier to understand why we missed on a few elite talents.
The only thing that really bothers me going forward, as I am sure it most of you as well, is that we are losing top instate talent.
We are not USC, Alabama, Oklahoma, etc....we rely primarily on instate talent to compete. If we start to lose these guys then its back to the 90's where the Peyton Mannings and Ed Reeds are going elsewhere.
Next years team is loaded. That being the case, there are really only 3 positions where a player could come in and make an immediate impact.
WR, LB, DB
Linebacker - We needed depth and we did pretty much all we could with this position. Sucks to lose Davis but we still pulled in 6 solid guys and we really need only 1 this year to contribute and provide depth.
DB- Also more of a depth issue. Collins would have probably played a lot this year, rotating with Loston. That being said, the guys we did pick up are solid and the guys that redshirted last year are solid as well.
WR- This is the only position that I feel like a guy could come in and start immediately. The JUCO would have been the most important pick up as far as this year is concerned. I just don't think the guys that we got are ready to contribute immediately. I'd say this may be our biggest miss.
Considering the depth we have, it makes it a little easier to understand why we missed on a few elite talents.
The only thing that really bothers me going forward, as I am sure it most of you as well, is that we are losing top instate talent.
We are not USC, Alabama, Oklahoma, etc....we rely primarily on instate talent to compete. If we start to lose these guys then its back to the 90's where the Peyton Mannings and Ed Reeds are going elsewhere.
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Posted on 2/2/12 at 10:20 am to blowmeauburn
We have depth at reciever, just not that big time 6'3-6'4 go to jump ball Guy... we have smaller guys who are very capable of making big plays... I think this receiving core would be a great short pass screen pass team...
Posted on 2/2/12 at 10:20 am to blowmeauburn
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We are not USC, Alabama, Oklahoma, etc....we rely primarily on instate talent to compete. If we start to lose these guys then its back to the 90's where the Peyton Mannings and Ed Reeds are going elsewhere.
Yeah, but unlike the 90s, we have 2 National Titles and 4 SEC Titles since 2001 to sell. In other words, we focus on instate talent, but could easily prioritize out of state recruiting and get kids if needed.
This post was edited on 2/2/12 at 10:22 am
Posted on 2/2/12 at 10:31 am to blowmeauburn
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Peyton Mannings
we could have won 4 titles in a row and Peyton would have still went elsewhere. It would be cold day in hell before a Manning would ever put on the purple n gold
Posted on 2/2/12 at 10:33 am to sheek
Manning was a bad example but you get my point. It's no secret that FSU and other schools were raiding the state for talent in the 90's. Leaving us to celebrate when we landed a Kevin Faulk once every 20 years.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 10:42 am to sheek
quote:This - the younger folks and some older actually believe we had a shot at either one of the three Mannings - believe me folks, they do the PC thing when it comes to LSU now - but deep down they can't stand us.
we could have won 4 titles in a row and Peyton would have still went elsewhere. It would be cold day in hell before a Manning would ever put on the purple n gold
Posted on 2/2/12 at 11:07 am to blowmeauburn
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It's no secret that FSU and other schools were raiding the state for talent in the 90's
I got your point. It was just very disappointing to see 4 of our top recruits in Louisiana leave regardless of their motives and needs.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 11:14 am to sheek
The next 4 months will be very telling. The trend the last three years has been top guys committing earlier and earlier. Texas has basically had their class 90% filled by mid-summer the last two years. Bama is similar.
We need to start picking up recruiting steam right out of the gate or we will be playing catch-up once again.
Recruiting is the life-blood of this program and it has saved Miles in years past. If we fall off and have less than elite classes two years in a row, look for a dip in the coming years in on the field success. A class of OL and LB is not going to be enough.
Moreover, ultimately, we are competing against Bama. We cannot let the talent gap grow to any great degree and expect to win SEC and National titles...it simply is not possible.
We need to start picking up recruiting steam right out of the gate or we will be playing catch-up once again.
Recruiting is the life-blood of this program and it has saved Miles in years past. If we fall off and have less than elite classes two years in a row, look for a dip in the coming years in on the field success. A class of OL and LB is not going to be enough.
Moreover, ultimately, we are competing against Bama. We cannot let the talent gap grow to any great degree and expect to win SEC and National titles...it simply is not possible.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 11:15 am to blowmeauburn
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Considering the depth we have, it makes it a little easier to understand why we missed on a few elite talents.
Solid post! I have to ask the question though... how does Alabama pull top classes every year? I'm not really a "sky is falling" kind of fan but losing the top 4 in state guys and Alabama recruiting like they have is going to cause some seperation. They have depth and continue to pull it in. We have had 3 consecutive classes where our top in state guy is playing ball in the state of Alabama. No the sky is not falling but there is cause for concern.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 11:19 am to sheek
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4 of our top recruits
I like how you put this. To many people say we lost our top 4 players.
That is very subjective.
We can agree LC is #1
Posted on 2/2/12 at 11:20 am to Tiger Nation 84
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We have depth at reciever, just not that big time 6'3-6'4 go to jump ball Guy
We even have that guy the candidates just are unproven. Armand WIlliams, James Wright, and Travin Dural are all 6'2"-6'3" and Dural and Williams both were elite Louisiana high jumpers. Just need one of those guys to step up! It would have been nice to get the proven Juco Patterson but that just gives another one of our current guys the opportunity to make a name for themself
Posted on 2/2/12 at 11:22 am to Broken Arrow
Miles thought he could get through 2012 with spreading Frank too thin & not recruiting enough guys in general.
They had shut down after Kiel, Miller & Davis, and kept no one on the back burner. They had kept backups out there for a guy like LC, but bottom line is that the same kind of misjudgements we saw on the field to bring in 2012 were seen on the recruiting trails & in the Football Ops center.
Some of it couldn't be accounted for. Some of it could. Miles classic finishing kick completely backfired this year in both the bowl game & in recruiting.
Next year will be telling. We need to make hay in-state & its an imperative because Louisiana is absolutely loaded in 2013. This coming recruiting year will absolutely rival 2011. Perhaps not in terms of the stargazer types, but there will be an absolute ton of Top 250 4 Star types in state that we need to sink our claws into.
What I worry about is that Miles thinks the problem is not from within but from the exterior of the walls of his program. He needs to get that stubbornness out of his head & realize that very mindset (that his finish is all because of exterior influences beyond his & his staff's control) is the reason the problem exists.
I like Miles' reaction to mistakes. As a counterpuncher, he & his team are unparalelled almost always. I'm hoping we see that again with 2013's class, & on the field in 2012.
It should start with Ensminger. He's absolutely go to go. Then Junior day should net us some, & then a strong Spring Ball.
Geaux Tigers!
They had shut down after Kiel, Miller & Davis, and kept no one on the back burner. They had kept backups out there for a guy like LC, but bottom line is that the same kind of misjudgements we saw on the field to bring in 2012 were seen on the recruiting trails & in the Football Ops center.
Some of it couldn't be accounted for. Some of it could. Miles classic finishing kick completely backfired this year in both the bowl game & in recruiting.
Next year will be telling. We need to make hay in-state & its an imperative because Louisiana is absolutely loaded in 2013. This coming recruiting year will absolutely rival 2011. Perhaps not in terms of the stargazer types, but there will be an absolute ton of Top 250 4 Star types in state that we need to sink our claws into.
What I worry about is that Miles thinks the problem is not from within but from the exterior of the walls of his program. He needs to get that stubbornness out of his head & realize that very mindset (that his finish is all because of exterior influences beyond his & his staff's control) is the reason the problem exists.
I like Miles' reaction to mistakes. As a counterpuncher, he & his team are unparalelled almost always. I'm hoping we see that again with 2013's class, & on the field in 2012.
It should start with Ensminger. He's absolutely go to go. Then Junior day should net us some, & then a strong Spring Ball.
Geaux Tigers!
Posted on 2/2/12 at 11:30 am to GFunk
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They had shut down after Kiel, Miller & Davis, and kept no one on the back burner. They had kept backups out there for a guy like LC, but bottom line is that the same kind of misjudgements we saw on the field to bring in 2012 were seen on the recruiting trails & in the Football Ops center.
So thats why we got liggins and the ambassador of Kwon? No back up plan there huh. Kwon pre injury was a better prospect than Davis. Yes post injury he is an unknown but things like football instincts dont go away. He will be a solid player no matter what. Liggins is an athlete who at the very least will provide depth at the qb spot for next year and the coming years should mett go pro. If mett doesnt go pro and he isnt progressing he has a body type and skill set that can make an impact somewhere else. He has said that he will do whatever it takes to get on the field. The kid is a natural leader read some articles on him. Yes Kiel looked to be the real deal but if he had flamed out as many "sure things" have done in the past he wasnt a guy who offerred the versatility that Liggins has. Not saying I prefer Liggins to Kiel but there is a few plusses that he offers. Miller was a project tackle in the first place. We are stacked at o line. We didnt need a back up plan for a guy that we took as a project not because he already was a star (which he has the ability to become).
Posted on 2/2/12 at 1:20 pm to Broken Arrow
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Solid post! I have to ask the question though... how does Alabama pull top classes every year? I'm not really a "sky is falling" kind of fan but losing the top 4 in state guys and Alabama recruiting like they have is going to cause some seperation. They have depth and continue to pull it in. We have had 3 consecutive classes where our top in state guy is playing ball in the state of Alabama. No the sky is not falling but there is cause for concern.
No denying that Alabama is on a different level right now. That is and should be our measuring stick since we are the 2 best programs in country right now.
But we can't deny that while Alabama loads up on stars, we have pulled several diamonds from the rough the past few years which is what we have to do to survive.
I guess what I am saying is, while this years class does not have an elite player who is ready to shine immediately, we didn't necessarily need one. We are completely loaded in almost every position so it was a year we could take a few projects and add depth for the future.
In other words, while this class is somewhat down, it was a year where we could afford to have one. Next year, we must, MUST, lock up the instate talent.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 2:11 pm to ItsThatDude12
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4 of our top recruits
I like how you put this. To many people say we lost our top 4 players.
That is very subjective.
We can agree LC is #1
Of the top 10 ranked players in the state of Alabama,Bama only signed 4.The #1 player offered by Bama chose FSU over Bama.Jameis Winston is the #2 rated QB.(Keil #1)I'm sure the Gumps are just as flamed about him as LSU fans are about Collins.Just think if Louisiana had the #2 QB in the nation and he signed with another team rather than LSU.This board would really have a meltdown.Miles and the staff will put a chain link fence around Louisiana the next two years.
This post was edited on 2/2/12 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 2/2/12 at 2:32 pm to aglandry
The main difference is that Bama doesn't rely on Alabama for its main source of talent like LSU rely's on Louisiana. We have to keep the best here at home to remain Elite. Bama has been dealing with Auburn and Tenn. and Fl State for years, so they know they need a broader reach than we do.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 4:37 pm to blowmeauburn
hopefully our new wr coach can help with some texas talent as well.we'll be just fine if we can lock up LA and steal a few from texas
Posted on 2/2/12 at 5:19 pm to blowmeauburn
Nice post.
Not sure why posters on here think we needed a top 5 class to be competitive. We only needed to add some depth which is exactly what we did. Next year will be a different story, however.
Not sure why posters on here think we needed a top 5 class to be competitive. We only needed to add some depth which is exactly what we did. Next year will be a different story, however.
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