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Distilling down Les Miles
Posted on 1/17/12 at 8:54 pm
Posted on 1/17/12 at 8:54 pm
A co-worker of mine, who is from Big 10 country and pulls for a Big 10 school, asked me a couple months ago if I had accepted Les Miles as LSU's coach, pointing out his record to date at LSU. I told him that he was growing on me, but there was something about him I couldn't quite figure out, and perhaps accept. He said, laughing, "what, growing on you?, the guy wins". I acknowledged this, but said I didn't like his style of play, this "inch worm" football, "you know, 3 yards, then 2 yards, with rarely a pass". It can be effective, but it's boring and ugly to watch, I said.
He said, "you mean, Big 10 football". I said, I suppose. I then reiterated my dislike for his near complete abandonment of the forward pass, despite so many receiving weapons on the roster.
Fast forward to today and distilling it down
Les Miles' system works, most of the time; this I understand. And you cannot really argue with his record, it's phenomenal. But despite his apparent affable, family oriented-nature and other character attributes that aren't entirely necessary for the job but nice when the coach that represents your school has them, something has never sat well with me about Les Miles. And just after the Georgia game, some ideas began to crystallize into theories, I suppose.
There are three:
a) he doesn't see the QB position in the modern-day-offense sense; a "Schembechler" protege as so many people like to point out. (By the way, Schembechler was a very good coach, but not great -- he never won a national championship and his teams usually lost their bowl games) This may help explain Miles' incredible reluctance to play any backup QB beyond the speculated personal issues between Miles and Lee. So, perhaps Les Miles sees the QB position as a COORDINATOR of the offense, not the CAPTAIN on the field.
b) Clock Management Follies of prior seasons, and now the Bama-BCS Debacle, where we witnessed a do- or-die, fans, school, state, and coonasses-be-damned attitude; he was going to win or lose it his way; and no, he would not entertain ideas to change course, such as go to the air -- football's not played in the air, it's played on the hard grounds of the cold mid-western plains. Stubborn, personal IDIOSYNCRASIES that render him purblind to the reality around him.
c) The JL story. The statements from Miles that led you to believe this kid was getting a fair shake and would see prime playing time. Barring a story that would explain (and justify) Miles' handling of JL, in this he has completely lost my confidence and respect. And this ties into the above points: he'd put HIS "principles" (whatever the heck they are) ahead of the best interest of the team, the school, the fans., and yes, I'll say it, THE STATE because we LSU fans are a very proud bunch.
So, I guess what I am saying is, when I visualize his name it looks like this:
*Les Miles
He said, "you mean, Big 10 football". I said, I suppose. I then reiterated my dislike for his near complete abandonment of the forward pass, despite so many receiving weapons on the roster.
Fast forward to today and distilling it down
Les Miles' system works, most of the time; this I understand. And you cannot really argue with his record, it's phenomenal. But despite his apparent affable, family oriented-nature and other character attributes that aren't entirely necessary for the job but nice when the coach that represents your school has them, something has never sat well with me about Les Miles. And just after the Georgia game, some ideas began to crystallize into theories, I suppose.
There are three:
a) he doesn't see the QB position in the modern-day-offense sense; a "Schembechler" protege as so many people like to point out. (By the way, Schembechler was a very good coach, but not great -- he never won a national championship and his teams usually lost their bowl games) This may help explain Miles' incredible reluctance to play any backup QB beyond the speculated personal issues between Miles and Lee. So, perhaps Les Miles sees the QB position as a COORDINATOR of the offense, not the CAPTAIN on the field.
b) Clock Management Follies of prior seasons, and now the Bama-BCS Debacle, where we witnessed a do- or-die, fans, school, state, and coonasses-be-damned attitude; he was going to win or lose it his way; and no, he would not entertain ideas to change course, such as go to the air -- football's not played in the air, it's played on the hard grounds of the cold mid-western plains. Stubborn, personal IDIOSYNCRASIES that render him purblind to the reality around him.
c) The JL story. The statements from Miles that led you to believe this kid was getting a fair shake and would see prime playing time. Barring a story that would explain (and justify) Miles' handling of JL, in this he has completely lost my confidence and respect. And this ties into the above points: he'd put HIS "principles" (whatever the heck they are) ahead of the best interest of the team, the school, the fans., and yes, I'll say it, THE STATE because we LSU fans are a very proud bunch.
So, I guess what I am saying is, when I visualize his name it looks like this:
*Les Miles
This post was edited on 1/18/12 at 7:59 am
Posted on 1/17/12 at 9:03 pm to tiger88
quote:yeah like Terrell Pryor and OSU
you mean, Big 10 football
Denard Robinson and Michigan
Russel Wilson and Wisconsin
Kirk Cousins and Mich St.
like that?
Posted on 1/17/12 at 9:22 pm to tiger88
Fair enough. It does seem that Les always has a way of good-great minus. Minus something. Stats, records, even firsts - he does great things that make it easy to defend him, but accompanying them is always some falter that raises doubt. I had hoped this season would destroy that trend, but 1/9 gave it continued life.
Posted on 1/17/12 at 9:38 pm to tiger88
quote:
he was going to win or lose it his way; and no, he would not entertain ideas to change course, such as go to air -- football's not played in the air, it's played on the hard grounds of the cold mid-western plains. Stubborn, personal IDIOSYNCRASIES that render him purblind to the reality around him.
I think your assesment is spot on, especially the above.
Posted on 1/17/12 at 9:40 pm to tiger88
I don't know if it's necessarily Big 10 football as much as it's maybe 1950's-60's football.
I think he wants to physically dominate the teams he plays by pounding, pounding and pounding until they wear down.
Which is fine until you come up against a team that you can't pound on that particular day.
Running football can be exciting football (for me) when it has a healthy dose of option, misdirection, etc. Makes you watch the intricacies of the movement of the linemen to appreciate it.
But I don't think that's quite the running game Miles uses.
I think he wants to physically dominate the teams he plays by pounding, pounding and pounding until they wear down.
Which is fine until you come up against a team that you can't pound on that particular day.
Running football can be exciting football (for me) when it has a healthy dose of option, misdirection, etc. Makes you watch the intricacies of the movement of the linemen to appreciate it.
But I don't think that's quite the running game Miles uses.
Posted on 1/17/12 at 10:21 pm to tiger88
A agree with everthing you said. I never have liked his style and for sure didn't like his game plan. Pathetic for the money he is paid. I love LSU and I think about what could have been and the effect on recruiting. Will he ever get better as a head coach? He is behind the times!
This post was edited on 1/17/12 at 10:23 pm
Posted on 1/18/12 at 12:24 am to tiger88
Definitely some good points there tiger 88
This post was edited on 1/18/12 at 12:25 am
Posted on 1/18/12 at 9:25 am to tiger88
Agree with your points very much, but you forgot to also add these resume busters to Les's formidable history:
1) Playing not to lose. Get a little lead and sit on it, let your defense and ST be bigger parts of the game than just 1/3 or 1/4, which they should be.
2) Marble mouth explanations, vagaries, and general douchebagness when answering questions. Remember, he does not owe you an explanation. You are just supposed to come to the games and cheer whatever he does. Midwest and Big 10 fans do not know football, and neither should you.
3) Hire great coordinators and then handcuff them. Hire bad coordinators and let them stay longer than they should because 'you're a nice guy'. Screw the program and all that nonsense.
1) Playing not to lose. Get a little lead and sit on it, let your defense and ST be bigger parts of the game than just 1/3 or 1/4, which they should be.
2) Marble mouth explanations, vagaries, and general douchebagness when answering questions. Remember, he does not owe you an explanation. You are just supposed to come to the games and cheer whatever he does. Midwest and Big 10 fans do not know football, and neither should you.
3) Hire great coordinators and then handcuff them. Hire bad coordinators and let them stay longer than they should because 'you're a nice guy'. Screw the program and all that nonsense.
Posted on 1/18/12 at 9:31 am to tiger88
You do realize that the team that just won the NC has relied on those principles all year long. And that team won the same way a few years ago against Texas. Football is won in the trenches and that's SEC football, not Big 10 football.
Alabama beat us in the trenches and their QB outplayed ours. It was a bad game for us on all fronts. We went undefeated in the regular season against one of the toughest schedules of all time, with Miles' principles.
All these complaints aren't about Miles' style of play, they are just dressed up to look that way because of the insane attachment to Lee around this place. Face it Lee wasn't a great QB. We lost the NC game, and we lost because of more reasons than just the QB.
Miles deserves fair criticism (as well as praise), but some of this is going way off the deep end.
Alabama beat us in the trenches and their QB outplayed ours. It was a bad game for us on all fronts. We went undefeated in the regular season against one of the toughest schedules of all time, with Miles' principles.
All these complaints aren't about Miles' style of play, they are just dressed up to look that way because of the insane attachment to Lee around this place. Face it Lee wasn't a great QB. We lost the NC game, and we lost because of more reasons than just the QB.
Miles deserves fair criticism (as well as praise), but some of this is going way off the deep end.
This post was edited on 1/18/12 at 9:34 am
Posted on 1/18/12 at 9:42 am to tiger88
Miles is an football enigma! I realize trying to understand him is impossible. Viewing him like that makes accepting him a lot easier.
Posted on 1/18/12 at 1:19 pm to tiger88
It's really funny to hear some folks say that Nick is the greatest college coach in the business today, then criticize Les for running the same type of offense that Nick runs at Bama. Run first, Pass when you have to...Bama played that all year, folks...one of the reasons they were so successful in the MNC is they changed their tendencies (& we did not, which was a coaching error) and started passing, esp. on first down. Les sees the QB as a game manager...Nick sees the QB as a game manager...there's no difference. In the MNC, Nick changed his philosophy and it worked as it was so unexpected (at least to the LSU coaching staff and that's their bad)...but to say that Les doesn't want to pass is a bit simplistic...there were down the field passes called in the MNC...the QB didn't execute...if the players don't execute...generally their team loses. Les has always seemed to learn from his mistakes (clock mgt, playing only upperclassmen, etc.) & I haven't noticed that he makes the same mistakes twice and...unlike Nick...Les is still open to learning new things about the game...Nick, mistakenly believes he invented the game (I understand that myth is now part of Alabama school history texts)...so I look for him to still emphasize the run but pass the ball much more since we'll have a QB that can actually pass effectively. Unfortunately, coaches, even the best ones, are limited by their personnel. That's why, great players make great coaches.
Posted on 1/19/12 at 8:58 am to tiger88
88, this post is much better than the previous one & like you agree that J Lee will allways be a favorite among Tiger faithful.Never seen a player treated so badly as J Lee.What a trooper !!!!
Posted on 1/19/12 at 9:41 am to tiger88
quote:
And you cannot really argue with his record, it's phenomenal.
But yet...you try, huh.
The "system" I care bout is one that wins and 8 years later the Miles system has won more than any other BCS program in the nation and been more successful that any other LSU HC ever!
What LSU has achieved since 2005 is made even more "phenomenal" when one considers the fact it comes during a period when the SEC is by far and away the most powerful conference in all of college football.
When the rubber hit the road, a HC is measured by one factor above all others...does he win.
I got a theory too...some of us have become so spoiled from our elite success that we can no longer see the forest for the trees and we have become titty babies.
Posted on 1/19/12 at 10:23 am to tiger88
quote:I think you got it. Let's hope and pray *CLM eventually does (get it, I mean) too.
I guess what I am saying is, when I visualize his name it looks like this:
*Les Miles
Posted on 1/19/12 at 10:57 am to tiger88
quote:
Stubborn, personal IDIOSYNCRASIES that render him purblind to the reality around him.
I agree. What ever "it" is, "it" is strange. The saga of JJ and JL epitomizes LM weirdness as a coach. That episode and the entire BCS game made no sense to me at all.
Posted on 1/19/12 at 11:19 am to tiger88
LET IT GO
You play inch worm football when you have QB's who can't pass....fault CLM for not getting a QB earlier, but honestly LET IT GO.
You play inch worm football when you have QB's who can't pass....fault CLM for not getting a QB earlier, but honestly LET IT GO.
Posted on 1/19/12 at 8:25 pm to tiger88
then how do you explain the Auburn Flynn to Byrd pass when he could have kicked?
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