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re: How does an "elite" program get itself into a 4 year JJ/JL mess?
Posted on 1/12/12 at 1:19 pm to Frankie Knuckles
Posted on 1/12/12 at 1:19 pm to Frankie Knuckles
Ryan Perrilloux flat screwed us over for 2008, but not for 2009. Either Perrilloux was going to start in 2009 or 1 of the 2 SOPHOMORES from JJ/JL would, which is not terrible looking at it from an early perspective.
I see a couple huge problems looking back...
1. Ryan Perrilloux getting kicked off, this one is more obvious than anything.
2. JJ/JL were shoved into action too early, but we had to in 2008. No RP meant it was either them as freshmen or Andrew Hatch a walk on (Who eventually got hurt)
3. Gary Crowton was the worst thing for our QBs than anything. Yes JJ/JL aren't the greatest talents, but Krags got the most out of them this year...Crowton got pure dogshit out of them.
4. Flat out misses at QB or not recruiting a QB during this time-frame. We lost Darron Thomas in 2008 because he didn't want to compete with another QB coming in (Jordan Jefferson :facepalm:). In 2009 Russell Shepard came in a quick bust at QB and Chris Garrett a quick flameout; we totally missed on QBs this class. In 2010 we take a big risk signing only Zach Lee and we paid for it, he leaves for MLB. We wanted Cam Newton so bad because he was the only JUCO QB worth taking in this time frame from 2009-2010, but we missed. In 2011 of course we sign 3 QBs, but 2 are freshmen who obviously wouldn't take over for 2 seniors in JJ/JL. 1 Is Zach Mettenber who apparently, despite his huge talent, couldn't take over in fall camp.
A combination of those 4 things set us back at QB for JJ/JL's tenure.
I see a couple huge problems looking back...
1. Ryan Perrilloux getting kicked off, this one is more obvious than anything.
2. JJ/JL were shoved into action too early, but we had to in 2008. No RP meant it was either them as freshmen or Andrew Hatch a walk on (Who eventually got hurt)
3. Gary Crowton was the worst thing for our QBs than anything. Yes JJ/JL aren't the greatest talents, but Krags got the most out of them this year...Crowton got pure dogshit out of them.
4. Flat out misses at QB or not recruiting a QB during this time-frame. We lost Darron Thomas in 2008 because he didn't want to compete with another QB coming in (Jordan Jefferson :facepalm:). In 2009 Russell Shepard came in a quick bust at QB and Chris Garrett a quick flameout; we totally missed on QBs this class. In 2010 we take a big risk signing only Zach Lee and we paid for it, he leaves for MLB. We wanted Cam Newton so bad because he was the only JUCO QB worth taking in this time frame from 2009-2010, but we missed. In 2011 of course we sign 3 QBs, but 2 are freshmen who obviously wouldn't take over for 2 seniors in JJ/JL. 1 Is Zach Mettenber who apparently, despite his huge talent, couldn't take over in fall camp.
A combination of those 4 things set us back at QB for JJ/JL's tenure.
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Posted on 1/12/12 at 1:21 pm to Frankie Knuckles
The qb at Alabama doesn't really move me either. Or Alabama for that fact.
Posted on 1/12/12 at 1:22 pm to Frankie Knuckles
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How does an "elite" program get itself into a 4 year JJ/JL mess?
RP couldnt stop doing cocaine
Posted on 1/12/12 at 1:23 pm to Frankie Knuckles
Both QBs were four stars. Jefferson was on Bama's sideline and was recruiting by Bama. That comment is for the Sabanites.
Lee was one of the top QBs out of Texas that year. Either he never panned out, got thrown in to early, or never got the confidence of the coach. Offensive scheme was different than what he knew in high school. He was part of a pass-option offense and played out the shotgun. LSU going to more a power set with a mobile QB probably set him back a bit.
Off comment: I really hope we go to more a power-pro set, play action and such. I think we have the QBs for the next 4 to 5 years along with the other players to make this work.
Lee was one of the top QBs out of Texas that year. Either he never panned out, got thrown in to early, or never got the confidence of the coach. Offensive scheme was different than what he knew in high school. He was part of a pass-option offense and played out the shotgun. LSU going to more a power set with a mobile QB probably set him back a bit.
Off comment: I really hope we go to more a power-pro set, play action and such. I think we have the QBs for the next 4 to 5 years along with the other players to make this work.
Posted on 1/12/12 at 1:24 pm to Frankie Knuckles
I can't explain it either. JJ & JL made for a terrible 4 year saga that we all want to forget. But its not like they were the only two QB's on the team. Underclassmen can have success. Tebow was a big part of UF's first BCSNC in his freshman year and AJ won it all as a sophmore this year. Oh well, the JJ/JL era is over, lets let it die 
Posted on 1/12/12 at 1:33 pm to Frankie Knuckles
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Frankie Knuckles
How does an "elite" program get itself into a 4 year JJ/JL mess?
I realize RP accounted for the first year (or two?), but who was the heir apparent after RP? Why did we not seek a transfer player or JUCO? Why did we just ride this lame fricking rollercoaster for 4 years?
Both JJ and JL were obviously not SEC caliber QB's (each had their moments, but the body of work of both players is subpar to put it mildly).
This 4 year saga was sort of a microcosm of Monday night's game, we didnt do or try anything to change it, we just rode it out hoping it would somehow correct itself.
J LEE go back and look . 3 ints this season . JJ one safety , lol the shuttle pass to a surprised Bama defender , you are right about JJ he should have never been in the SEC with the ducks he would have been a super star
Posted on 1/12/12 at 1:37 pm to Frankie Knuckles
Easy. This year's Heisman winner said it himself. "I am rooting for LSU. Go Tigers. I might have gone there, but they wanted Jordan Jefferson."
Posted on 1/12/12 at 2:12 pm to Frankie Knuckles
Ever heard of Zach lee?
Posted on 1/12/12 at 2:15 pm to Frankie Knuckles
great post - the epitome of the downfall...... 
Posted on 1/12/12 at 2:57 pm to Frankie Knuckles
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Why did we just ride this lame fricking rollercoaster for 4 years?
Both JJ and JL were obviously not SEC caliber QB's (each had their moments, but the body of work of both players is subpar to put it mildly).
This 4 year saga was sort of a microcosm of Monday night's game, we didnt do or try anything to change it, we just rode it out hoping it would somehow correct itself.
I truly believe Lee would've developed into a solid game manager similar to Mauck if not a little better if we would've stayed with him over JJ back in 08.
I know Lee had too many picks (to put it mildly), but we also moved the ball and scored pretty damn well. (see UGA 08 and others)
The defense was so bad, this team gave up. If Miles would've had his head out his arse and hired a good DC, then the pressure would've been off the offense and I have no doubt Lee would've developed much better. The kid had an arm and threw a great deep ball. He was balling in the first 8 games of this year.
Posted on 1/12/12 at 2:58 pm to Frankie Knuckles
The "mess" you and lots of other negatigers have exits only in your mind and nowhere else. It's something to talk about.
Posted on 1/12/12 at 3:43 pm to Frankie Knuckles
Ask Saban why he passed on Brees at Miami? It seemed everything Saban did at Miami turned to dung.
Everyone has to realize these are college athletes and not the NFL.
It's college football. After watching what JJ has done in past bowl games with over 5 weeks to prepare I thought he was going to be as fast as he was against Texas A&M last year since he had already played in games against Bama his entire career. JJ just laid a huge egg on Monday night. And he did not even take responsibility for his bad play from what I've read. I still think it all goes back to Bama lost the first game and LSU was not as motivated and angry as Bama. Happens all the time in sports. PAYBACK motivation.
Everyone has to realize these are college athletes and not the NFL.
It's college football. After watching what JJ has done in past bowl games with over 5 weeks to prepare I thought he was going to be as fast as he was against Texas A&M last year since he had already played in games against Bama his entire career. JJ just laid a huge egg on Monday night. And he did not even take responsibility for his bad play from what I've read. I still think it all goes back to Bama lost the first game and LSU was not as motivated and angry as Bama. Happens all the time in sports. PAYBACK motivation.
This post was edited on 1/12/12 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 1/12/12 at 3:55 pm to Frankie Knuckles
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How does an "elite" program get itself into a 4 year JJ/JL mess?
Fans, you know it, let's not go there.
Posted on 1/12/12 at 4:22 pm to Frankie Knuckles
Ryan Perrilloux
Posted on 1/12/12 at 5:05 pm to Frankie Knuckles
The fact that we survived is what makes us elite. That 4 year stretch (the dilemma, not the results) would have taken out a lot of big schools.... Somehow we made it work.
Posted on 1/13/12 at 11:43 am to Frankie Knuckles
Alot of programs have trouble finding signal callers.
Texas, Florida, and Notre Damn come to mind pretty quick right now.
I think ZM may have been the answer, Miles and him seemingly refusing to even consider him is a greater question than the JL JJ questions.
Texas, Florida, and Notre Damn come to mind pretty quick right now.
I think ZM may have been the answer, Miles and him seemingly refusing to even consider him is a greater question than the JL JJ questions.
Posted on 1/13/12 at 7:46 pm to Frankie Knuckles
bad recruiting and bad QB development
Posted on 1/13/12 at 8:47 pm to Frankie Knuckles
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How does an "elite" program get itself into a 4 year JJ/JL mess?
you talking about the 41-12 (composite record) mess?
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Both JJ and JL were obviously not SEC caliber QB's
they helped to win a lot of games for LSU but neither were "elite" talents. some would say the same thing about Matt Mauch and Matt Flynn and look what they accomplished.
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This 4 year saga was sort of a microcosm of Monday night's game, we didnt do or try anything to change it,
dumb....make no mistake about it, bama had everything to do with our performance.
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we didnt do or try anything to change it, we just rode it out hoping it would somehow correct itself.
even tho it may seem like that the reality is that, with a brutal schedule, we won "13" games by running the rock, winning the battle for field position and capitalizing on mistakes that we forced. it's very true that bama got a mulligan, but to their credit....they played it flawlessly.
I personally think we'd all be better off if we showed some backbone by accepting the fact that we got beat as a team and stop the pathetic attacks on the very same kids who helped to win a ton of games for LSU.
Posted on 1/13/12 at 9:00 pm to Frankie Knuckles
RP
Posted on 1/13/12 at 9:50 pm to Frankie Knuckles
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How does an "elite" program get itself into a 4 year JJ/JL mess?
It all stems from Ryan Perriloux. I blame RP.
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