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Easier to get passing yard for today's QBs?
Posted on 12/27/11 at 9:17 am
Posted on 12/27/11 at 9:17 am
Sorry for the ignorance, but I keep hearing this in regards to Brees versus Marino. Why is this so? I'm assuming there have been rule changes since '84 which calculate passing yards differently? If so, what are the changes?
This post was edited on 12/27/11 at 9:19 am
Posted on 12/27/11 at 9:18 am to skidmark
go watch film from the 80's and see what DB's did to WR's.
And also look how much more often QB's were knocked down after releasing the ball
And also look how much more often QB's were knocked down after releasing the ball
Posted on 12/27/11 at 9:20 am to skidmark
Defenders used to be able to play much more physically with receivers back in the day. While a lot of the rule changes that Brees has benefitted from went into effect before Marino's season, they were fairly "new" then, and the refs were not calling PI, illegal contact, etc. nearly as close.
Plus, the QB was not nearly as protected as now.
That said, it does not detract from his accomplishment any more than Marino's was less than Fouts'.
Plus, the QB was not nearly as protected as now.
That said, it does not detract from his accomplishment any more than Marino's was less than Fouts'.
Posted on 12/27/11 at 9:32 am to skidmark
I am sick and tired of hearing how much easier it is for today's quarterbacks to get big numbers.
If it's so much easier, why in the hell has the record stood for twenty fricking seven years?
If it's so much easier, why in the hell has the record stood for twenty fricking seven years?
Posted on 12/27/11 at 10:27 am to skidmark
Yards per attempt is virtually unchanged from 1984 to today (7.1 vs 7.2--and 1983 was 7.2...). Attempts per game were ~32 per game in 1984 vs ~34 per game today. Those two attempts don't explain it all, though. Today's QBs complete ~60% of their passes, vs ~56% in 1984. This added accuracy also shows up in int%--~2% today vs ~4% in 1984.
Rules changes don't account for all of it. In 84, offenses were built differently. More deep passing, especially. Yes, the rules have changed things slightly in the last 27 years, but it is not as drastic as the talking heads want to make you think.
Oh, and one more thing, when you compare Marino's record season to the average QB in 1984 and do the same with Drew vs the average QB this year, you'll find that Drew's delta is higher than Marino's, both in absolute and in relative measurements. That should silence the bullshite trying to downplay the significance of this acheivement.
Rules changes don't account for all of it. In 84, offenses were built differently. More deep passing, especially. Yes, the rules have changed things slightly in the last 27 years, but it is not as drastic as the talking heads want to make you think.
Oh, and one more thing, when you compare Marino's record season to the average QB in 1984 and do the same with Drew vs the average QB this year, you'll find that Drew's delta is higher than Marino's, both in absolute and in relative measurements. That should silence the bullshite trying to downplay the significance of this acheivement.
Posted on 12/27/11 at 11:07 am to skidmark
While true, brees is 98 yards above todays average.
Marino was 95 yards above his average.
About the same..
Marino was 95 yards above his average.
About the same..
Posted on 12/27/11 at 1:15 pm to skidmark
I think the biggest factor to increased QB numbers is the technology at hand. The way QBs can study film nowadays in HD from multiple angles and have every play from the last 10 years right at their fingertips. Also the evolution of the spread offense, things are so much more advanced nowadays. But if you don't have the work ethic of a brees, you can throw all this out the window.
Posted on 12/27/11 at 1:34 pm to skidmark
defenders were allowed to jam receivers a lot more and qbs got mugged after every pass. today's game is much more qb and wr friendly. not to take away anything that brees has done. but what fouts and marino did in that era of the game is greater than what any qb can do today.
Posted on 12/27/11 at 5:55 pm to skidmark
It is definitely easier today to get more passing yards but look at when the passing yard record was broken. 80, 81, 82, 84. 4 times in 5 years so i don't see how anyone can say that passing yards were especially hard to come by during that era.
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