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re: Comparing LSU QBs: Mauck, Russell, Flynn, Lee, Jefferson
Posted on 11/26/11 at 5:07 pm to theunknownknight
Posted on 11/26/11 at 5:07 pm to theunknownknight
quote:When Crowton took over for Fisher, Crowton used almost exclusively Fisher's system. As he spent more time at LSU he added a bunch of crap. In short, Crowton used Fisher's playbook in year 1 and slowly added crap to it as the years went by.
so...we ARE being convenient. I read ya'.
When Stud/Krags took over for Crowton, they used primarily the same playbook but threw out a bunch of shitty plays and shitty systems. In short, Stud/Krags simplified the playbook and plays by removing the crap that Crowton had added over the years.
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Posted on 11/26/11 at 5:07 pm to theunknownknight
quote:
So...since you brought it up, please give up "passing TDs/games played" as a percentage. Thanks.
ok, I'll do it for you. Jefferson has played significant time or started in 37 games. THIRTY-SEVEN.
He has 33 career passing TDs = .89 passing TDs a game.
Lee has played in 30 games with over 7 passing attempts with two and a half seasons off the bench and he has 31 passing TDs. That's 1.03 passing TDs per game.
This post was edited on 11/26/11 at 5:08 pm
Posted on 11/26/11 at 5:08 pm to geauxgeebs
quote:
One thing stats don't show is how many dumb mistakes the QBs have made each over the last two years. JJ has made more mental mistakes in his playing time this year than Lee has in the last two.
Posted on 11/26/11 at 5:14 pm to just me
A few things you're leaving out, which is expected with the absolute love you have for JJ.
He scored a great deal of TD's running the ball, AFTER JL had moved the ball down the field.
Completion % is good, but it's not like he's throwing into tight windows, or that his deep ball is a thing of beauty. He is not accurate and will take a sack more often than not waiting on the one player he's locked onto to get wide open.
The Bama game is his notable game of the year, and if you look at the game, you'll find that he led the team to ONE scoring drive, which was highlighted by a horrible throw that ended up in Shepard's hands when he wasn't the WR targeted.
I'm not a Lee rantard either, I thought Mett would have been our best option, but whatever.
He scored a great deal of TD's running the ball, AFTER JL had moved the ball down the field.
Completion % is good, but it's not like he's throwing into tight windows, or that his deep ball is a thing of beauty. He is not accurate and will take a sack more often than not waiting on the one player he's locked onto to get wide open.
The Bama game is his notable game of the year, and if you look at the game, you'll find that he led the team to ONE scoring drive, which was highlighted by a horrible throw that ended up in Shepard's hands when he wasn't the WR targeted.
I'm not a Lee rantard either, I thought Mett would have been our best option, but whatever.
Posted on 11/26/11 at 5:16 pm to geauxgeebs
quote:I'm comparing the last five significant QBs because their stats are easily retrieved.
LSU's offense has never been so stacked at talent at every position in it's history as it is this year. This is all minus one position, and that is quarterback. You take stats out of context, but clearly you aren't making the case for Jefferson as much as you are making the case AGAINST Flynn, Mauck and Lee.
quote:I'm comparing the last five significant QBs because their stats are easily retrieved.
I notice you only compare his rushing stats to other rushing QBs at LSU, is there a reason for this?
quote:I'm comparing the last five significant QBs because their stats are easily retrieved. I'm using the stats provided by the NCAA in a nearly identical format.
LSU has historically not used rushing QBs (since they became a NC caliber team). They have never used the spread mentality with the rushing qbs they did have. So you're comparing JJ's rushing stats to QBs who didn't have to run with the ball?
quote:I appreciate you calling me objective. Thank you. I did not defend Jefferson as much as I didn't leap to conclusions of guilt.
This response was to Just Me. The objective person who has defended JJ REGARDLESS of the transgression.
quote:People plead even when they are not guilty. It happens all of the time. I don't know if Jefferson is guilty of a misdemeanor. I don't know if Mettenberger is guilty of a misdemeanor. It didn't look good when he pleaded guilty. However, with time, it didn't really tend to cause many problems for him.
I wonder how it's going to look IF JJ pleads guilty to the simple battery charge just as soon as the season is over?
quote:If you think I am arguing for a "dual threat" over a "pocket passer," you are terribly wrong.
PS- Lets compare ZM's stats next year to JJ's in 2010 and see if the "dual threat" is really more effective than a "pocket passer." LOL.
I think I stated very clearly that Russell had the best final year and career at LSU of the five QBs. I don't think there is a soul that would classify Russell as a "dual threat."
Posted on 11/26/11 at 5:16 pm to ndtiger
It's clear to anyone with just a small knowledge of football that JRUSS was far better than Flynn. Actually in 09 JJ was a higher rated qb than Flynn in 07. I like Flynn , but how he has reached cult status is beyond me. Don't give me the championship bs, because Trent Dilfer has a Super Bowl win. It doesnt make him a better qb than Steve McNair or countless other qbs whom didn't win a title.
Posted on 11/26/11 at 5:17 pm to geauxgeebs
quote:Oh?
One thing stats don't show is how many dumb mistakes the QBs have made each over the last two years. JJ has made more mental mistakes in his playing time this year than Lee has in the last two.
Do you have something to prove that?
Stats don't care about comparing mental to physical mistakes. Neither do scoreboards or trophies.
Posted on 11/26/11 at 5:24 pm to theunknownknight
quote:Dude, I posted a TD%.
ok, I'll do it for you. Jefferson has played significant time or started in 37 games. THIRTY-SEVEN.
He has 33 career passing TDs = .89 passing TDs a game.
Lee has played in 30 games with over 7 passing attempts with two and a half seasons off the bench and he has 31 passing TDs. That's 1.03 passing TDs per game.
It states the same basic thing that your percentage does. Lee has more TDs per play than Jefferson.
Of course, mine is a better stat because it's more reflective of the facts. Your stat requires far more interpolation.
What does "played significan time" mean?
quote:Is 7 a magic number? How did it get to be that way?
Lee has played in 30 games with over 7 passing attempts with two and a half seasons off the bench and he has 31 passing TDs. That's 1.03 passing TDs per game.
Why aren't more significant stats like completion percentage or yards per attempt more important than TD percentage?
HINT: They are not.
Posted on 11/26/11 at 5:29 pm to qwerpoiu
quote:You're pathetic. No, really.
A few things you're leaving out, which is expected with the absolute love you have for JJ.
quote:How many?
He scored a great deal of TD's running the ball, AFTER JL had moved the ball down the field.
quote:Ahhh. The old substitution of anecdotes for facts. How completely trite.
Completion % is good, but it's not like he's throwing into tight windows, or that his deep ball is a thing of beauty. He is not accurate and will take a sack more often than not waiting on the one player he's locked onto to get wide open.
quote:First, Alabama was his most notable game? You don't want to comment on his play in the Arkansas game? Second, did you ignore overtime? Did you ignore the beautiful option he play he made that aided Ford in his near touchdown run?
The Bama game is his notable game of the year, and if you look at the game, you'll find that he led the team to ONE scoring drive, which was highlighted by a horrible throw that ended up in Shepard's hands when he wasn't the WR targeted.
Posted on 11/26/11 at 5:31 pm to just me
that is not true. trust me. i have very reliable source. crowton used nothing of jimbo's offense
Posted on 11/26/11 at 6:03 pm to macycarly
quote:Of course I will trust a poster who just joined this month and who only has seven posts. Of course, I will trust you over my own eyes.
that is not true. trust me. i have very reliable source. crowton used nothing of jimbo's offense
Posted on 11/26/11 at 7:57 pm to macycarly
Hey I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale. It's badass! TRUST ME!!!!!
This post was edited on 11/26/11 at 7:58 pm
Posted on 11/27/11 at 9:37 am to Rickdaddy4188
all i will say it's from a starter in the backfield from that team. you can believe what you like. the only reason i just joined is because i couldn't take it anymore and had to start correcting stupid people like you.
Posted on 11/27/11 at 9:43 am to macycarly
Let me see if I understand you correctly.
You are saying that Crowton did not use anything from Jimbo's offense. Not one package. Not one formation. Not one play.
Is that what you are saying?
Because that's what you said:
You are saying that Crowton did not use anything from Jimbo's offense. Not one package. Not one formation. Not one play.
Is that what you are saying?
Because that's what you said:
quote:
crowton used nothing of jimbo's offense
Posted on 11/27/11 at 10:44 am to just me
there two totally different offenses. that's not saying coaches can have some of the same sets. that's why coaches watch film and go to coaching conferences to learn new stuff and steal stuff. that being said. crowton runs more spread and jimbo runs a prostyle. so you think about it
Posted on 11/27/11 at 11:25 am to macycarly
quote:
crowton used nothing of jimbo's offense
quote:
crowton runs more spread and jimbo runs a prostyle.
quote:
so you think about it
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