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re: The offensive Guilbeau piece that's featured on the TD front page
Posted on 11/11/11 at 2:45 pm to Gravitiger
Posted on 11/11/11 at 2:45 pm to Gravitiger
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And my point was that Auburn was a bad comparison to use.
Why? Saban led LSU to its first NC since 1958. Chizik led Auburn to its first since 1957. Saban had 4 losses the following year (2004). Auburn may win 8 or 9 games this year. Not that much difference. Saban got very lucky to get an SEC championship in 2001 with 3 losses. That rarely happens, especially since 1992.
I don't think Chizik is a Saban, but things didn't look that different for Auburn, who has been bringing in great recruiting classes under Chizik and are in a rebuilding year like LSU was in 2004.
There a number of parallels. But neither team, LSU in 2005 when Miles arrived, nor Auburn, under Chizik deserve description as a national championship program. The description by Gilbeau is simply inapt.
Posted on 11/11/11 at 2:51 pm to tigerinridgeland
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The description by Gilbeau is simply inapt.
Yes, it is. It is also inept. And dumb.
Posted on 11/11/11 at 3:18 pm to tigerinridgeland
quote:Because Saban built LSU on a sustainable model--solid recruiting across the board, especially DB, RB, DL and WR, strong defense and power running game. The OL he left behind has been underrated, too. He won in year four after he had gotten his recruits in place and the leftovers had bought into his process. LSU had also been having success under Saban for the past several years prior to the championship. We had won a SEC championship two years earlier, and were 6-1 the prior season before an injury to the starting QB torpedoed the season. When LSU was "rebuilding" in 2004 we were still competitive in every game except one.
Why? Saban led LSU to its first NC since 1958. Chizik led Auburn to its first since 1957. Saban had 4 losses the following year (2004). Auburn may win 8 or 9 games this year. Not that much difference. Saban got very lucky to get an SEC championship in 2001 with 3 losses. That rarely happens, especially since 1992.
I don't think Chizik is a Saban, but things didn't look that different for Auburn, who has been bringing in great recruiting classes under Chizik and are in a rebuilding year like LSU was in 2004.
There a number of parallels. But neither team, LSU in 2005 when Miles arrived, nor Auburn, under Chizik deserve description as a national championship program. The description by Gilbeau is simply inapt.
Auburn had not competed for even a division title in half a decade and had been hot garbage for two straight years. They bought the best JUCO player in the history of America and happened to have the perfect play-caller in place to maximize his talents. You take Cam off that team, and they lose six games, easy. Now the year after they have been absolutely pounded by the only two really good teams they have faced and, absent a big upset, are looking at a 7-5 regular season. Chizik's recruiting has been very good, too, but we will have to wait another two years to see if he can keep it up at the level Saban had by 2003, and if he can move the ball without Malzahn at the helm. Chizik's personal specialties (defense and especially defensive backs) have been terrible. Having to win 45-40 every week is not a sustainable model for success.
You can't just look at the cold records before and after without considering all the qualitative factors--how did they win their championships.
This post was edited on 11/11/11 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 11/11/11 at 4:56 pm to tigerinridgeland
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Saban led LSU to its first NC since 1958. Chizik led Auburn to its first since 1957. Saban had 4 losses the following year (2004).
Three losses, with two of them being very suspect due to the refs at Auburn and the no-show vs. Iowa. Saban had quit and didn't bother even to try to prepare the team for the bowl game. That's a bad reflection on Saban personally, but not on the state of our program at the time he left.
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I don't think Chizik is a Saban, but things didn't look that different for Auburn, who has been bringing in great recruiting classes under Chizik and are in a rebuilding year like LSU was in 2004.
I think LSU was more solid in 2003 than Auburn in 2010, despite their going 14-0 and our going 13-1. We won that NC on the strength of a strong, talented team across the board, and our program was well stocked and primed to contend for and win championships going forward, which we did from 2005 through 2007, and are again.
Meanwhile, they won theirs essentially on the back of one player on offense and one on defense, and they are back to mediocre a year later without those two players. They'll probably go 7-5, and that they even will do that well is due to the implosion of Tennessee and Florida this year, the inexplicable overconfidence of Mississippi State in their game against Auburn, and the mess that is South Carolina's offense this year.
That said, it's been 7 years since Saban left, so giving him credit for anything that's happening now is silly.
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