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Posted on 11/1/11 at 12:08 am to tigerfan88
Posted on 11/1/11 at 12:08 am to tigerfan88
tebow would never be confused with a rocket scientist. plus his windup is terrible
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Posted on 11/1/11 at 12:10 am to SlowFlowPro
Tebow doesn't believe in rocket science
Posted on 11/1/11 at 1:05 am to DelU249
I cannot believe this has gotten 5 pages and not one person has been honest enough to say it is because Luck is white and Cam is black. That really is all there is too it. If Cam was white and Luck was black then Cam would have been the "better" prospect. /thread
Posted on 11/1/11 at 1:13 am to lsu480
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I cannot believe this has gotten 5 pages and not one person has been honest enough to say it is because Luck is white and Cam is black. That really is all there is too it. If Cam was white and Luck was black then Cam would have been the "better" prospect.
Yes, because a black qb has never been drafted over a white qb before
Vick, Jamarcus?
If cam and luck's situations were reversed, then cam would be regarded higher. The color of his skin has nothing to do with it
This post was edited on 11/1/11 at 1:17 am
Posted on 11/1/11 at 1:14 am to lsu480
Or you can take the less jaded view that it's bc athletic, dual-threat, college qb's in spread offenses have had limited success as NFL QB's. Many of those qb's tend to be black. But i think you're right about the racial bias especially when you see people say with no proof whatsoever that Luck is "way smarter" than Newton.
Posted on 11/1/11 at 1:17 am to tigerfan88
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But i think you're right about the racial bias especially when you see people say with no proof whatsoever that Luck is "way smarter" than Newton.
I would have to say Luck is way smarter. He has graduated from Stanford while Cam got arrested for stealing at Florida, had to go to a JUCO, and then went to Auburn.
Posted on 11/1/11 at 1:18 am to dratnar
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If cam and luck's situations were reversed, then cam would be regarded higher. The color of his skin has nothing to do with it
The ONLY reason they might be is because of Cams arrest but if you take that away then there is no way.
Posted on 11/1/11 at 1:20 am to DelU249
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as a prospect everyone was saying he sucks.
and I think cam is bigger, faster and has the same arm strenght, I see a couple of things Luck did marginally better, but nothing to explain the disparity of how the two were viewed at the same stage
First off, Cam proved very little in college as a passing QB in college. While he put up some nice stats and had a better throwing motion than Tebow and Vince Young coming out, his throwing mechanics were not good and he was not as accurate as his stats make him seem to some (like you). That is the first thing you seem to not understand.
Secondly, Cam has never been regarded as smart, yet tons of people claim it now because he's been pretty successful so far this season. The kid isn't dumb, but he's nowhere near QB smart like the elites.
He's great on broken plays and seems to have improved his accuracy a bit (still not that great), but many of his throws have been to wide open players. Hell, his pass to Smith against the Saints was actually a horrible throw that Smith turned into a great play.
Furthermore teams also still haven't figured out how to play him defensively, since he game from a run-based offense in college.
He'll be a very good QB for years to come, but people are putting way too much stock into his first games calling him an elite passer.
Posted on 11/1/11 at 1:21 am to tigerfan88
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But i think you're right about the racial bias especially when you see people say with no proof whatsoever that Luck is "way smarter" than Newton
Person A: has a 3.9 GPA at Stanford
Person B: Gets caught cheating 3 times at his university. Steals a laptop and throws it out of his window when fbi comes to his door. Does not speak in complete or coherent sentences.
Who is smarter?
Posted on 11/1/11 at 1:22 am to lsu480
Well Luck might be a better person and he probably is better academically but in terms of football smarts? I don't think Luck is THAT much better than Newton. I mean he's had 4 different offensive systems in 4 years and excelled in everyone of them.
Posted on 11/1/11 at 1:24 am to lsu480
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The ONLY reason they might be is because of Cams arrest but if you take that away then there is no way.
Every single year qbs who are coming out of any type of spread or option offense are at a disadvantage to qbs who play in a more pro style oriented offense. The fact that you are saying the offensive systems , and fact that luck started D1 for 3 years while cam only had 1 season throwing out of a gimmick offense, have no bearings on their draft stock is absurd.
Posted on 11/1/11 at 1:27 am to lsu480
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I would have to say Luck is way smarter. He has graduated from Stanford while Cam got arrested for stealing at Florida, had to go to a JUCO, and then went to Auburn.
Like I said in the Trading Places analogy.
They both might end up on Wall Street (Super Bowl) but given their history and yes (racial component) like the bias in the film:
Luck = Winthorpe (Dan Aykroyd)
Newton = Billy Ray Valentine (Eddie Murphy)
As a prospect with Luck's background vs. Newton's background as you mentioned - which is the "better prospect" ignoring 20/20 hindsight?
Posted on 11/1/11 at 1:30 am to tigerfan88
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Well Luck might be a better person and he probably is better academically but in terms of football smarts? I don't think Luck is THAT much better than Newton. I mean he's had 4 different offensive systems in 4 years and excelled in everyone of them.
Now you are changing your statement.
Anyway, Cam excelled because he is an elite athlete and all time great college football player. I do not believe that being smart has so much bearing on your qb success as does his ability to read defenses quickly, which cam can do well. Cam may very well be a smart guy, but he has made many poor decisions off the field which doesnt help him out.
I do not believe that luck is head and shoulders above newton. All I have done is state reasons for why luck has a higher draft stock than newton. See my previous 5 posts for those reasons, which are obvious
Posted on 11/1/11 at 1:32 am to dratnar
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Now you are changing your statement.
I was going off purely what they did on the football field but either way, if their races were reversed, Cam would have been the higher ranked prospect and if Black Luck and White Cam both came out last year White Cam would have gone ahead of him.
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Like I said in the Trading Places analogy.
I loved that earlier in the thread and was surprised you didn't get more love for it.
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As a prospect with Luck's background vs. Newton's background as you mentioned - which is the "better prospect" ignoring 20/20 hindsight?
Luck unless you swap their races.
This post was edited on 11/1/11 at 1:35 am
Posted on 11/1/11 at 1:35 am to lsu480
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if their races were reversed, Cam would have been the higher ranked prospect and if Black Luck and White Cam both came out last year White Cam would have gone ahead of him
Opinion stated as fact.
Posted on 11/1/11 at 1:36 am to dratnar
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The fact that you are saying the offensive systems , and fact that luck started D1 for 3 years while cam only had 1 season throwing out of a gimmick offense, have no bearings on their draft stock is absurd
I never said this...I said in the end race would be the deciding factor.
Posted on 11/1/11 at 1:37 am to dratnar
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Opinion stated as fact.
Its a fact. Look at the few white tailbacks that tear up D1 competition.....black tailbacks that do way less are consistently drafted ahead of them. Scouts tend to think white QBs have a higher upside and black tailbacks have higher upsides. I am not saying that placing importance on race at certain positions is right or wrong, I am just saying it happens.
This post was edited on 11/1/11 at 1:39 am
Posted on 11/1/11 at 1:38 am to lsu480
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The ONLY reason they might be is because of Cams arrest but if you take that away then there is no way.
Posted on 11/1/11 at 1:39 am to dratnar
They would have overlooked that.
Posted on 11/1/11 at 1:40 am to lsu480
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Its a fact. Look at the few white tailbacks that tear up D1 competition.....black tailbacks that do way less are consistently drafted ahead of them. Scouts tend to think white QBs have a higher upside and black tailbacks have higher upsides. I am not saying that placing importance on race at certain positions is right or wrong, I am just saying it happens.
Yea, like peyton hillis who was drafted as a fullback in the 6th or 7th round? Or hester who was drafted in 6th round? or Woodhead who was undrafted??
I dont even know how to make sense of what you just said. I cant even name a white tailback who tore up D1 off the top of my head, if there is even one. I thought you were a dumbass before, now i know
FYI you do realize that the whole reason Cam was drafted #1 was because of his upside, right??
This post was edited on 11/1/11 at 1:44 am
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