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dratnar
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Its a fact dude. I know Woodhead wasn't D1 but do you REALLY think if he was black he would have gone undrafted? No fricking way! Its just the way the world and the NFL works..
I initially misread your port. I thought you were saying white RBs who tear up D1 are drafted higher than a black RB who does just as well.
That being said, I understand where you are coming from with the race card. WHat I am saying is that if cam and luck's situation are reversed, it still wouldnt matter because the combination of offensive scheme, system, and length of time as a D1 starter outweighs any other possible racial factor.
I do not believe that race is a part of it at all. But even if it was, that factor would be dwarfed by the other reasons I just stated. I believe that if the panthers honestly thought cam newton is a better qb than luck, they would take him over luck. If they thought luck was better and drafted him, then it would be because of the reasons I previously stated, not because he was white or black.
I'm done reiterating my point for the 50th time
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Ya....them and Toby Gerhart. If he was black he would have been a top 15 pick.
There you go again.
You OPINION stated as fact.
If toby Gerhart was black, then he would still be toby Gerhart. The Big arse RB with poo top end speed and no burst
Black RBs arent viewed as having more upside, they just have better measurables (size to speed ratio, burst, etc) Name me an example of 2 rbs (1 white and 1 black) who have basically identicalmeasureables, stats, and skill sets from college and show me the discrepancy in their draft position. White rbs arent drafted high #1 because there arent any and #2 because the ones who are good in college (gerhart and hester) do not have skill sets that translate to being an NFL RB
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Its a fact. Look at the few white tailbacks that tear up D1 competition.....black tailbacks that do way less are consistently drafted ahead of them. Scouts tend to think white QBs have a higher upside and black tailbacks have higher upsides. I am not saying that placing importance on race at certain positions is right or wrong, I am just saying it happens.
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Yea, like peyton hillis who was drafted as a fullback in the 6th or 7th round? Or hester who was drafted in 6th round? or Woodhead who was undrafted??
I dont even know how to make sense of what you just said. I cant even name a white tailback who tore up D1 off the top of my head, if there is even one. I thought you were a dumbass before, now i know
FYI you do realize that the whole reason Cam was drafted #1 was because of his upside, right??
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The ONLY reason they might be is because of Cams arrest but if you take that away then there is no way.
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if their races were reversed, Cam would have been the higher ranked prospect and if Black Luck and White Cam both came out last year White Cam would have gone ahead of him
Opinion stated as fact.
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Posted by dratnar on 11/1/11 at 1:30 am to tigerfan88
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Well Luck might be a better person and he probably is better academically but in terms of football smarts? I don't think Luck is THAT much better than Newton. I mean he's had 4 different offensive systems in 4 years and excelled in everyone of them.
Now you are changing your statement.
Anyway, Cam excelled because he is an elite athlete and all time great college football player. I do not believe that being smart has so much bearing on your qb success as does his ability to read defenses quickly, which cam can do well. Cam may very well be a smart guy, but he has made many poor decisions off the field which doesnt help him out.
I do not believe that luck is head and shoulders above newton. All I have done is state reasons for why luck has a higher draft stock than newton. See my previous 5 posts for those reasons, which are obvious
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The ONLY reason they might be is because of Cams arrest but if you take that away then there is no way.
Every single year qbs who are coming out of any type of spread or option offense are at a disadvantage to qbs who play in a more pro style oriented offense. The fact that you are saying the offensive systems , and fact that luck started D1 for 3 years while cam only had 1 season throwing out of a gimmick offense, have no bearings on their draft stock is absurd.
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Posted by dratnar on 11/1/11 at 1:21 am to tigerfan88
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But i think you're right about the racial bias especially when you see people say with no proof whatsoever that Luck is "way smarter" than Newton
Person A: has a 3.9 GPA at Stanford
Person B: Gets caught cheating 3 times at his university. Steals a laptop and throws it out of his window when fbi comes to his door. Does not speak in complete or coherent sentences.
Who is smarter?
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I cannot believe this has gotten 5 pages and not one person has been honest enough to say it is because Luck is white and Cam is black. That really is all there is too it. If Cam was white and Luck was black then Cam would have been the "better" prospect.
Yes, because a black qb has never been drafted over a white qb before
:rolleyes:
Vick, Jamarcus?
If cam and luck's situations were reversed, then cam would be regarded higher. The color of his skin has nothing to do with it
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Posted by dratnar on 11/1/11 at 12:00 am to SlowFlowPro
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intelligence
this also. Have you listened to cam talk? If an NFL team interviewed cam and luck, there is no way they come out of that thinking cam as superior in any way (mentally)
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he is a terrific QB and no doubt he should be the #1 pick, I guess I'm just wondering why the scouts AND fans think so differently of the two as prospects,
What scouts do you know who didn't have cam as a top 20 or 1st round pick? Many had him going number one and an NFL team took him number 1.
I don't understand why you are so dumbfounded over this. It is not that hard to understand, luck is viewed as the superior, safer pick because of his offense which he started in at the D1 level for 3 years and was tremendously successful at it. Cam played in the spread option for 1 year at the D1 level. Had luck came out last year he would of been selected before came because of the known facts about him. It was unknown how cam would transition to a pro style offense where you need to throw from the pocket instead of running gimicky spread option offense. That being said, cam would of been the next qb taken off of the board because of his upside (being that if he could make the transition, he has all the tools to be a top qb)
Worst LSU football loss
Posted by dratnar on 10/31/11 at 9:11 pm
Which LSU football loss was the most emotionally devastating to you?
For me it was the Arkansas game of the '07 season. I don't think I've ever experienced such a roller coaster of emotion as I did during the 4th quarter and 3 OTs of that game. Went from elation to anger back to elation, then back to anger a dozen times. We were set up nicely to make our way into the NC game, only to have lost near the seasons end. I was emotionally drained after that game and not even picking out the family christmas tree could get me out of that funk. I was numb. luckily the football gods smiled favorably upon LSU that year
For me it was the Arkansas game of the '07 season. I don't think I've ever experienced such a roller coaster of emotion as I did during the 4th quarter and 3 OTs of that game. Went from elation to anger back to elation, then back to anger a dozen times. We were set up nicely to make our way into the NC game, only to have lost near the seasons end. I was emotionally drained after that game and not even picking out the family christmas tree could get me out of that funk. I was numb. luckily the football gods smiled favorably upon LSU that year
re: Jordan Jefferson & Honey Badger Hanging At New Orleans Bar?
Posted by dratnar on 10/31/11 at 7:12 pm to TheRammerJammer
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Yea, pussies for focusing on what they are supposed to be doing instead of partying it up on Bourbon Street - Makes sense!
So how is it going to feel when you know your team is doing everything right, and them LSU boys partying it up, not giving a shite, and they still woop that arse
Cam was in an spread option gimmick type offense which is not run in the pros, so there was no film of him playing in a pro style offense (in D1 atleast), so you could only speculate as how effective of a passer he would be under center because throwing and making reads out of the option spread is much different than a pro style offense. Also, running the ball was a huge part of cam's game. You could only speculate as to how effective he would be moving the ball downfield if forced to rely primarily on his throwing.
Basically it comes down to known vs unknowns. All of the unknowns previously stated about cam were knowns with Luck (at the college level).
Cam was the #1 pick because of his upside. Scouts know he has all the tools, but it was just a question of whether or not he would be able to transition from Auburn's offense to a pro style NFL offense. We are now seeing that "upside" coming into fruition.
Basically it comes down to known vs unknowns. All of the unknowns previously stated about cam were knowns with Luck (at the college level).
Cam was the #1 pick because of his upside. Scouts know he has all the tools, but it was just a question of whether or not he would be able to transition from Auburn's offense to a pro style NFL offense. We are now seeing that "upside" coming into fruition.
re: My Final Plea: Start Jefferson
Posted by dratnar on 10/31/11 at 11:08 am to chinhoyang
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I understand sports psychology, having coached Class A football for two years
So you didnt do very well in school so you had to resort to being a high school football coach, which clearly didnt work out to well after a couple of 0 win seasons which is why you only had the gig for 2 years. :cool:
re: Is Jimmy as good as we all think? (1030 Rec yds & 10 TDs)
Posted by dratnar on 10/29/11 at 8:56 pm to Titleist72
Jimmy is young and athletic and has great hands. His athleticism combined with Brees makes him the most productive TE in the league. Certainly he is the best receiving TE, maybe not the best all around, but for our offense he is the ideal TE
Does USC have the gayest mascot?
Posted by dratnar on 10/29/11 at 7:06 pm
If not, then their mascot definitely has the gayest pre game ritual. (loser stabs field with fake sword, throws his fists in the air while screaming)
after the ball left his foot and hit his own teammate the ball would be down right there i believe
re: My NCAAF Online Comeback (Huge)
Posted by dratnar on 10/28/11 at 6:53 pm to FiddleHead
All i got out of this is that you and your opponent are both terrible
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