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Posted on 10/20/11 at 2:37 pm to cdupuy
quote:I totally agree with your point of view. It saddens me when somebody with so much potential, and so much given to him, can't engage in a little basic self-control, and think of the needs of the whole ahead of the wants of the moment. But it's clear this group of 3 (along with others who will go unnamed) have had problems in this area. So fine, if the word "team" is really what it's supposed to be, there is no "me" in it, and no "I" in it, except as far as giving the best you got for the best for the team. You dance, you pay the Piper. But "moral compass?" It's essential. But I think that's a generational thing, mostly. The kids on this board have not been taught these kinds of things, and the indulgent, permissive parents on this board have never understood the value of setting limits and positive values beyond self-indulgence for their kids. It's why our society looks the way it does today.
...having values and a moral compass are important to maintainh a functioning team. It's not that smoking pot is a huge deal, but rather the fact that you are expected (and required) not to do it. Some positions in life require you to think beyond yourself. Representing your school in the way these kids have the opportunity to do so is one of those positions.
This post was edited on 10/20/11 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 10/20/11 at 2:40 pm to JawjaTigah
If you're this angry, you don't have a clear perception of what the realistic college life is nowadays. As I said before Oregon-LSU after the Cliff Harris incident, the majority of college students and the VAST majority of college football players (yes, even those at LSU) smoke pot. It's not an issue. At all. The fact that people get so worked up about it shows the incredibly attitude gap between generations.
It must have been an NCAA test, because teams don't even punish players for their internal tests until the 5th+ failed test.
It must have been an NCAA test, because teams don't even punish players for their internal tests until the 5th+ failed test.
Posted on 10/20/11 at 2:40 pm to cdupuy
cdupuy,
They are. That is why they had to submit to a drug test in the first place.
Surely, you don't really think this is a just punishment. It is true that what they did was stupid, irresponsible, and selfish, but it certainly does not warrant a penalty that severe.
Just because these guys made a mistake does not mean that they do not have values and a moral compass. Most of us do not reach adulthood without compromising our integrity at some point. We just have to do better, and move on.
Your children must be young. I hope your children turn out to be all that you want them to be. But it is likely that along that path, they are going to disappoint you. The good news is that, with age, most of us become wiser, more responsible, and less selfish. Your children will and I expect these LSU players will as well.
So, don't judge so harshly. Get to your kitchen and have some humble-pie. Perhaps it is not intended, but you come across as very self-righteous.
Also, thank you for your service.
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They should be held to a higher standard.
They are. That is why they had to submit to a drug test in the first place.
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I say kick them the frick off the team and let them figure out if they can go on to learn their lesson.
Surely, you don't really think this is a just punishment. It is true that what they did was stupid, irresponsible, and selfish, but it certainly does not warrant a penalty that severe.
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having values and a moral compass are important
Just because these guys made a mistake does not mean that they do not have values and a moral compass. Most of us do not reach adulthood without compromising our integrity at some point. We just have to do better, and move on.
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I just hope in the end my kid turns out to be like JL.
Your children must be young. I hope your children turn out to be all that you want them to be. But it is likely that along that path, they are going to disappoint you. The good news is that, with age, most of us become wiser, more responsible, and less selfish. Your children will and I expect these LSU players will as well.
So, don't judge so harshly. Get to your kitchen and have some humble-pie. Perhaps it is not intended, but you come across as very self-righteous.
Also, thank you for your service.
Posted on 10/20/11 at 2:47 pm to tygergirl13
I am not sheltered and I fully expect challenges for my children during their lives. I have made many mistakes and bad decisions. Those choices that I made have shaped me into who I am today. My goal is to teach my kids so they don't make the same mistakes I did. They will be free to make choices, but if they make the wrong decision I want them to experience the consequences that come along with them. I will not coddle them.
Posted on 10/20/11 at 2:48 pm to TigerBait1127
quote:Great to know what you don't believe. But what is a "gateway" drug or substance? What gate does it potentially open to users of it? Is it really ok?
I also don't believe that marijuana is an addictive drug
Posted on 10/20/11 at 2:52 pm to Vol Fan in the Bayou
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I know this is a silly question, but anything worth a shite being said in this tread or just someone who is pissed?
not much. a self righteous guy claiming to be an officer in the military is advocating throwing the players off of the team even though he states he has nothing against pot. he also claimed that he has morals and values while suggesting our players do not. from there, the discussions seems to be regressing into pot usage habits and addiction of relatives. since i have morals and values i can't tell you the rest.
Posted on 10/20/11 at 2:54 pm to cdupuy
It's the kids that are raised by extreme parents or parents that don't give a shite that go awry. Sounds like you may be the former. If you have more than 1 kid, expect at least 1 to rebel against your harsh parenting style.
Posted on 10/20/11 at 2:54 pm to tygergirl13
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tygergirl13
....OUTSTANDING!
Posted on 10/20/11 at 2:57 pm to JawjaTigah
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I totally agree with your point of view. It saddens me when somebody with so much potential, and so much given to him, can't engage in a little basic self-control, and think of the needs of the whole ahead of the wants of the moment. But it's clear this group of 3 (along with others who will go unnamed) have had problems in this area. So fine, if the word "team" is really what it's supposed to be, there is no "me" in it, and no "I" in it, except as far as giving the best you got for the best for the team. You dance, you pay the Piper. But "moral compass?" It's essential. But I think that's a generational thing, mostly. The kids on this board have not been taught these kinds of things, and the indulgent, permissive parents on this board have never understood the value of setting limits and positive values beyond self-indulgence for their kids. It's why our society looks the way it does today.
.......oh, what a judgemental frick you seem to be.
Posted on 10/20/11 at 3:07 pm to Hollywood
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Don't care if you read or not
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Good because I thought there was going to be a quiz
Posted on 10/20/11 at 3:23 pm to JawjaTigah
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It saddens me when somebody with so much potential, and so much given to him, can't engage in a little basic self-control, and think of the needs of the whole ahead of the wants of the momen
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So fine, if the word "team" is really what it's supposed to be, there is no "me" in it, and no "I" in it, except as far as giving the best you got for the best for the team. You dance, you pay the Piper. But "moral compass?" It's essential.
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the indulgent, permissive parents on this board have never understood the value of setting limits and positive values beyond self-indulgence for their kids. It's why our society looks the way it does today.
Now listen I aint gonna sit here and say people should be smoking marijuana, but to the people with the bullshite moral addictive outrage crap is annoying. If yall are that concerned about it how bout you start handing out flyers and protesting people and players getting hammered every night in tigerland and every saturday before a game. Marijuana has FAR less negative effects than cigarettes and alcohol. This is scientific. In fact there are pharmaceuticals that work exactly like THC does. Id be willing to bet that 70-80% of the crew who are pissed that they were smoking weed would have no problem with their kids out at reggies at 18 years old and getting hammered.
I have never smoked marijuana and will not. The consequences of losing things I have gained in life are far too much. However its not like these kids are on meth. Also Id be much more concerned about my kid smoking marbolos then if i found out they smoked a joint because you can go into any conivence store to buy marbolos and it is far more addictive and has far far more negative health consequences. Just because something is legal doesnt make it moral/ethical. The opposite is also true.
This post was edited on 10/20/11 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 10/20/11 at 3:24 pm to JawjaTigah
Wow, you must have major ESP, to be able to pass judgements on parents and children by reading blurbs on a message board!! Its a football game, people are throwing opinions and ideas around like so much confetti.... I hope you dont make an assessment of peoples moral and parental values just by reading Tiger Rant...... I am glad your not my neighbor!!
Posted on 10/20/11 at 3:32 pm to Spirit of Dunson
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That's how I feel. Making the "Hard Right" is necessary when you are going to be counting on that guy for cover. Kicking a guy off a team for smoking pot may have worse affects on his life than suspending for a game or making him run til he pukes.
....well said. Not every crime deserves death.
Posted on 10/20/11 at 3:33 pm to CharlesLSU
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lighten up francis.....
No chit, huh!
Each to our own, but 18-22 yr old guys mess up/break rules/do things they should know better than do alllllllllllllllll the time.
They pay the price for the mess up and move on...we need to do the same and just get over it.
Posted on 10/20/11 at 3:35 pm to Adam Banks
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Marijuana has FAR less negative effects than cigarettes and alcohol. This is scientific.
Physical or mental? Are you referring to use or abuse. These factos are significant to the validity of your claim. There is scientific evidence that all three are harmful. There is no scientific evidence that one is "far less harmful" than the others.
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In fact there are pharmaceuticals that work exactly like THC does.
Wrong
This post was edited on 10/20/11 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 10/20/11 at 4:14 pm to LSU Patrick
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n fact there are pharmaceuticals that work exactly like THC does.
Wrong
How bout you look into sativex buddy.
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Physical or mental? Are you referring to use or abuse. These factos are significant to the validity of your claim. There is scientific evidence that all three are harmful. There is no scientific evidence that one is "far less harmful" than the others
How bout you look into lung cancer rates and addiction rates. Look into drug interactions and what receptors each chemical binds. Definitely do that before you take that tylenol after a hangover.
Posted on 10/20/11 at 5:20 pm to LSU Patrick
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In fact there are pharmaceuticals that work exactly like THC does.
Wrong
he isn't wrong at all. Marijuana can have the same effects as several pharmaceuticals with less side effects.
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There is no scientific evidence that one is "far less harmful" than the others.
there is strong scientific data that suggests marijuana is far less harmful than alcohol
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