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Posted on 9/21/11 at 5:29 pm to mhasen1
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No link. I watched it on the news the day they executed the search warrant.
Sgt. Stone said it to reporters.
I think we should start calling him Sgt. Dick. We shouldn't dignify his little publicity play.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 5:39 pm to Jester
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I'm no lawyer, but that doesn't sound right. I think you can plea the 5th to specific questioning.
Iirc, I watched one of the congressional hearings with a baseball player. They replayed it on ESPN. Whoever it was plead the fifth on every question. And one senator kept badgering him even going so far as asking the player if he was even present in the court room that day. Again, the player plead the fifth. Iirc the ESPN lawyer said once you've plead the fifth, you can't make any additional comments. If you do then you can't plead the fifth on additional questioning. I could be wrong though.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 5:53 pm to just me
Just Me - whether you are an attorney or not is hard to tell, but you seem to make cogent points so I am wondering how you interpret Hillar Moore's statement below:
"We want the jury to hear all sides so they can make the appropriate charges, if any," Moore said. He added that the level of "misinformation" and "confusion" surrounding the case has made the grand jury testimony necessary so the conflicting witness accounts can be presented "under oath and under the potential penalty of perjury."
My understanding is that attorney's can't be in the grand jury room so it really is going to be who is credible and who has done the best witness prep
Posted on 9/21/11 at 6:56 pm to CptBengal
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But you, like the other feeble minded, are incapable of reading context.
This was your post:
"I'm gonna laugh when the grand jury brings back an indictment....
It will truly be funny."
Only a jerk would find something "funny" or something to laugh bout in a member of the LSU football team being indicted no matter the context.
This will be my 7th post in the 2 GJ threads and you probably have 25 in them....seems you fall more into the "clowns melting down" profile than me.
If you find a situation where LSU players are facing felony counts to be anything close to being "funny", perhaps it's you who is "delusional".
Posted on 9/21/11 at 7:26 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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"I'm gonna laugh when the grand jury brings back an indictment....
It will truly be funny."
this is all i read but it sounds to me like he was talking about funny for the people in this thread who are so sure JJ will not be indicted, not the fact that JJ would face a trial.
anyone know when we are supposed to hear something one way or another?
Posted on 9/21/11 at 7:29 pm to jcole4lsu
Next week
Posted on 9/21/11 at 8:34 pm to Chappy
[quote]The witnesses who will testify against the JJ's are extremely credible.
The grand jury just needs to hear about the incident with Andrew Lowery on September 4th to see how credible he is.
If by any chance the grand jury has this sent to trial, no way will there be a conviction, Lowery's entire past will be brought into question. People who have grown up with him call him a hot head and a person to always start trouble.
The grand jury just needs to hear about the incident with Andrew Lowery on September 4th to see how credible he is.
If by any chance the grand jury has this sent to trial, no way will there be a conviction, Lowery's entire past will be brought into question. People who have grown up with him call him a hot head and a person to always start trouble.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 8:54 pm to RobbBobb
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RobbBobb
quote:No Robb,
A little embarrassed now, are ya?
I'd only be embarrassed about wanting an LSU player off the team, guilty or not.
That shite sucks.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 9:24 pm to Mayhawman
Too much focus on Lowery. The kid in the truck was hurt worse and that is a focus of the charges and case.
With more than a dozen witnesses today, that is not a good sign for putting an end to this anytime soon. "Under oath" eliminates most, if not all, of the conflicting stories.
The main focus for the JJ's should be their path forward in the coming years. Football should be a distant thought. IMO, Unglesby is hurting Jefferson and D'Amico is representing Johns the best way.
Jefferson will take a big hit in perception if there are more than a few witnesses that testify he was involved and he gets charged. Unglesby can just walk away if that happens - Jefferson doesn't have that luxury.
Wish the best for both of them in that they can move forward and put this behind them. Quickly - with or without football.
With more than a dozen witnesses today, that is not a good sign for putting an end to this anytime soon. "Under oath" eliminates most, if not all, of the conflicting stories.
The main focus for the JJ's should be their path forward in the coming years. Football should be a distant thought. IMO, Unglesby is hurting Jefferson and D'Amico is representing Johns the best way.
Jefferson will take a big hit in perception if there are more than a few witnesses that testify he was involved and he gets charged. Unglesby can just walk away if that happens - Jefferson doesn't have that luxury.
Wish the best for both of them in that they can move forward and put this behind them. Quickly - with or without football.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 9:52 pm to hybrid3
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Unglesby is hurting Jefferson and D'Amico is representing Johns the best way.
How so? Unglesby is a very aggressive attorney. He isn't just talking to be talking. D'Amico has a different style apparently.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 9:55 pm to hybrid3
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Too much focus on Lowery. The kid in the truck was hurt worse and that is a focus of the charges and case.
You do realize that it was two separate fights and that Jefferson is implicated in Lowery's part only right?
Posted on 9/21/11 at 9:59 pm to hybrid3
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The kid in the truck was hurt worse and that is a focus of the charges and case.
Who beat him up ?
Posted on 9/21/11 at 10:25 pm to GR CHAMP
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The kid in the truck was hurt worse and that is a focus of the charges and case.
The video clearly shows the kid in the truck driving off, if he is the one being kicked HE CAME BACK FOR MORE. Not saying it was right that he got kicked but had he not came back he would not have gotten the serious injuries.
Posted on 9/21/11 at 10:48 pm to just me
quote:Dude is a joke
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tl;dr
Don't care.
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Wait.....self defense?
I thought there were numerous witnesses that said Jefferson wasn't involved at all.
Wait.....you read it?
Posted on 9/21/11 at 11:50 pm to Antonio Moss
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I'm the guy that posted that Wing was involved.
He got punched by Lowery.
Now, if getting punched were a crime . . .
Actually, Wing had absolutely nothing to do with the fight in question. This event occurred earlier in the night when he was dancing with Lowery's ex-girlfriend, and it was actually more of a slap. Obviously, I'll acknowledge that this is hearsay.
I find the claims that Jefferson was really trying to pull his teammates away very interesting. Logically, this implies that LSU football players were involved in some way. Jefferson could have very well been attempting to make an effort to intervene and end the fight. Regardless, unfortunately for him, he is one of the most recognizable players on the team. I still believe he is guilty because of a compelling account I heard from one of Lowery's friends that makes the most sense and covers the most ground for the duration of the night. I also recognize that that won't be enough to move forward with the trial and secure a conviction.
With that being said, clearly, the extent of bias among his teammates will be much higher than passerby witnesses who just happened to be on the scene. The same applies for Lowery's friends. The middle ground folks are going to present the most useful testimonies to the grand jury in deciding if a trial is even held in the first place.
Of course, there probably won't be enough evidence to move the trial forward because BRPD seems to be horrifyingly incompetent in conducting criminal investigations.
This post was edited on 9/21/11 at 11:53 pm
Posted on 9/22/11 at 1:02 am to Camp Randall
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That's the fricking point. The legal perspective is what we are looking at this from now.
From a legal perspective this fiasco is a goddamn joke. It's a shite case with shaky evidence and shitty witnesses that wouldn't have gone anywhere were it not for the alleged involvement of the QB and other players on a NC (possible) football team and a kicked "Marine" that turned out to be a 100 kiloton douchebag out of uniform.
Maybe there is evidence that solidifies the charges that the public isn't privy to but I doubt it.
This is independent of who I want to start as QB for my football team.
Posted on 9/22/11 at 6:34 am to acgeaux129
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find the claims that Jefferson was really trying to pull his teammates away very interesting. Logically, this implies that LSU football players were involved in some way.
So, if it wasnt Jefferson, then why hasnt the guilty party stepped forward to exhonerate Jefferson? Think about how Jefferson would feel that another player, probably 2nd/3rd stringer is still on the team and gets to play and is responsible for potentially ruining his career?
Do you really think Jefferson is going to sit idle by and watch his only chance to lead LSU to the BCS game splip away? No, id bet JJ throws the kid under the bus in a heartbeat to save his own arse.
The fact that this hasnt happeed logically tells me it probably was JJ.
This post was edited on 9/22/11 at 6:47 am
Posted on 9/22/11 at 7:15 am to Chappy
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"I'm gonna laugh when the grand jury brings back an indictment.... It will truly be funny."
I am not a JJ fan, but any time a member of the LSU family is in trouble, is not a good day and it is not funny.
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