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Why scheduling tough OOC games is such a no win proposition
Posted on 9/6/11 at 9:15 am
Posted on 9/6/11 at 9:15 am
LSU looked great and crushed a top five opponent in its opener. Set aside whether or not you think they deserve to move up to number one, or you prefer to stalk number one for the year and play the underdog card, or you recognize as we all do that if the Tigers win out they will be where they want to be.
If LSU schedules a top five opponent in an opening match-up (the likes of which hasn't happened in over a decade) and then dominates that opponent, how can they not move above other teams that beat awful teams (for the record this is a hypothetical question, I get why they won't move up)? This is part of what is broken about college football. The wins are not weighted appropriately at the time. The mentality that a team must lose to have an adjustment in its ranking makes an inflexible system that causes unbalance in favor of weak schedules as long as the team in question starts ranked highly. So if there is no upside to a big victory over Oregon in terms of ranking, why do we put so much at risk for so little?
If team four can beat team three and it is worth no more than team 2 beating team 75, what is the point. That is why we get Towson at home and fans don't get to see the matchups they want. Bottomline, is a more fluid ranking system more desirable. Should their be a points system to value different wins (a top five victory is worth say 20 while a top 90 is worth say 1 or 5?)
If LSU schedules a top five opponent in an opening match-up (the likes of which hasn't happened in over a decade) and then dominates that opponent, how can they not move above other teams that beat awful teams (for the record this is a hypothetical question, I get why they won't move up)? This is part of what is broken about college football. The wins are not weighted appropriately at the time. The mentality that a team must lose to have an adjustment in its ranking makes an inflexible system that causes unbalance in favor of weak schedules as long as the team in question starts ranked highly. So if there is no upside to a big victory over Oregon in terms of ranking, why do we put so much at risk for so little?
If team four can beat team three and it is worth no more than team 2 beating team 75, what is the point. That is why we get Towson at home and fans don't get to see the matchups they want. Bottomline, is a more fluid ranking system more desirable. Should their be a points system to value different wins (a top five victory is worth say 20 while a top 90 is worth say 1 or 5?)
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Posted on 9/6/11 at 9:16 am to therick711
Doesn't matter till it matters.
Posted on 9/6/11 at 9:17 am to therick711
As a college football fan I appreciated the Oregon match up much more than the one with North Texas we get next year.
I understand the point you're making, and its a good one, but give me more of the type of opponents we played last Saturday.
I understand the point you're making, and its a good one, but give me more of the type of opponents we played last Saturday.
Posted on 9/6/11 at 9:18 am to filmmaker45
What if LSU was just outside of a BCS bowl and beats a top 15 opponent while the teams ahead of it win and therefore don't drop in the polls. Does it matter then? Did it matter in 2005 when we got sent to the peach bowl because we lost the SECCG? The thing is, it really truly does matter at all times and especially at the end.
Posted on 9/6/11 at 9:18 am to therick711
BCS standings aren't out yet, this is just more proof the AP is horseshite. This win will be key later in the season.
Posted on 9/6/11 at 9:19 am to therick711
might not matter as much for AP or Coach's rankings, but will make a big difference in computer rankings and therefore BCS rankings which will come out later in the year...
Posted on 9/6/11 at 9:20 am to Chimlim
What would you like to have happen? I get your point but here's the deal. LSU will #3 and will play #2 later this season. All you need to be is #2.
Posted on 9/6/11 at 9:20 am to Chimlim
Tell me it didnt matter in 07 when we slaughtered Virginia Tech 
Posted on 9/6/11 at 9:20 am to Holden Caulfield
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As a college football fan I appreciated the Oregon match up much more than the one with North Texas we get next year.
Completely agree which is why I want the system to reward a huge win and not punish a loss to a great team. It is standard that unless you are Notre Dame you fall 5-9 spots if you lose regardless of foe. How does that make sense when, say, number 5 beats number 19. If those are the ranks that is the outcome that most would expect, no? I wish the system incentivized great games. I would love to see LSU and FSU tangle at some point, so we can stick it to Jimbo
Posted on 9/6/11 at 9:20 am to therick711
Dude, beating Oregon will pay huge dividends down the road...most importantly, it could be the difference in being in the BCS title game or being left out...additionally, the exposure on national TV is an invaluable recruiting tool.
LSU hit the jackpot with its performance on Saturday...
LSU hit the jackpot with its performance on Saturday...
Posted on 9/6/11 at 9:21 am to Mike Linebacker
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What would you like to have happen? I get your point but here's the deal. LSU will #3 and will play #2 later this season. All you need to be is #2.
Set aside whether or not . . . you recognize as we all do that if the Tigers win out they will be where they want to be.
Posted on 9/6/11 at 9:21 am to FTL Tiger
the Oregon game may be key in LSU getting to the BCS if Boise goes undefeated, as well as OU. There is a chance we can bypass Boise with one loss.
But it won't mean a thing unless we win.
But it won't mean a thing unless we win.
Posted on 9/6/11 at 9:24 am to Chicken
I agree, but the upside should be extreme. I guess my point is not getting across. The system should penalize bad schedules, not reward them. Not just passively accept them but penalize them. So OU tough break that you won your game. You drop because of the quality of your opponent. I understand there can rarely be an adjustment at the end of the season like in 2007, but that was a scenario where teams lost. If everyone wins out and you can't justify a drop, LSU finishes at three. That is where I'm trying to get this discussion and see if people think there is a better way to quantify these types of victories.
Posted on 9/6/11 at 9:25 am to therick711
quote:I am pretty sure the computers reward harder schedules, and the voters have been known to reward the tougher schedules (see LSU in 2007).
The system should penalize bad schedules, not reward them.
Posted on 9/6/11 at 9:27 am to therick711
We don't crush Virgina Tech OOC in 07, we don't play for the national championship. Period end of story
Posted on 9/6/11 at 9:28 am to Chicken
So you think that these victories are rewarded sufficiently by the computer component? Under the current formula it is virtually impossible for human polls 1 and 2 to be overtaken by the computer component.
Posted on 9/6/11 at 9:29 am to therick711
Not only does beating a top 5 team handily in game one set the tone in the national discussion, the confidence the team has is invaluable. I understand your point of this win being much better than Bamas win over Kent St, it would seem as though we should jump them in the polls, whether that happens or not its the system we live in.
Posted on 9/6/11 at 9:29 am to CaribbeanDemon
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We don't crush Virgina Tech OOC in 07, we don't play for the national championship. Period end of story
Who is denying that? Let's just go at this directly then. Should the system formally reward big OOC wins to incentivize the scheduling of big games?
Posted on 9/6/11 at 9:30 am to CaribbeanDemon
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We don't crush Virgina Tech OOC in 07, we don't play for the national championship. Period end of story
This. Its true that it wouldn't matter if LSU were to go undefeated. It would be ludicrous that an undefeated SEC champ would be left out. However, it matters A LOT if we end up having a bunch of teams at the end of the season with one loss.
Posted on 9/6/11 at 9:32 am to Chicken
quote:Absolutely.
Dude, beating Oregon will pay huge dividends down the road...most importantly, it could be the difference in being in the BCS title game or being left out...additionally, the exposure on national TV is an invaluable recruiting tool.
LSU hit the jackpot with its performance on Saturday...
And it wasn't just a beating. We scored 40 and beat them by two touchdowns.
That will matter at the end of the season.
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