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Objective Oregon Analysis
Posted on 8/27/11 at 1:35 am
Posted on 8/27/11 at 1:35 am
Now that we know pretty much who is going to play, although I am an Oregon fan, I will make an attempt at objective analysis.
ADVANTAGE LSU
1. Preparation Time - Oregon is not a gimmick team but they do have a unique pace and scheme, and extra preparation time does help
2. D-Line - Oregon has made a living on being a little smaller but faster on the lines. Up until now they have trouble with the few schools that were as fast and athletic on the lines AND had greater size
3. Secondary - LSU has the toughest secondary Oregon has seen in 2 years. That plus inexperienced wideouts means LSU could significantly shut down the medium to long passing game.
ADVANTAGE OREGON
1. Darren Thomas - A lot was made of how JJ had improved, but from the reports, DT may have improved as much, and he started a lot higher. If his passing accuracy, and handling the reins of the Zone-read have improved 20%, you are looking at a better QB than anyone in the SEC, which means you can not stack the box on the Oregon running game.
2. Depth - I have heard that LSU has good depth, but Oregon regularly plays 25 players a game on defense. You can not have defensive starters go the whole game against Oregon, they will be dragging by the 3rd quarter, even if they are in excellent shape. I think LSU has the depth on the D-Line, but I wonder how your backup Secondary and Linebackers will do?
3. Coaching - I know LSU has excellent coaching, Miles is good, and Chavis may be the best D-Coordinator in the country. But Kelly is a genius, and our positions coaches as a group are the most experienced and skilled in the nation. The way this will show up in the game is that there will be at least a half dozen OK players who become stars every year. I would look out for Turner, Tuinei, Clay, Mitchell, and Heimuli and Huff if they are healthy.
OVERALL COMMENTS
Why Oregon has failed in a couple of big games - Oregon has been playing at an elite level without the top 10 recruiting classes every year like Alabama, LSU, and USC and other elite programs have had. In the big games with a lot of prep other schools have been able to exploit this weakness in size/athleticism. But Oregon is getting better recruits, and that gap is closing. The only matchup where LSU has a decided size/athleticism advantage is your D-Line vs. Oregon's O-Line.
Missing Players - I think the losses are Harris and Jefferson are about equal. JJ is a quarterback, but as many have said, the drop off to Lee is not great, and Harris is a huge threat. If Alonzo plays, I think the Ducks are at a slight advantage because of the loss of Sheppard.
Even - I think LSU may be used to having the edge in trick plays and Special Teams, but not this time. Kelly has run as may trick plays, possibly More successfully and Oregon is strong on all special teams. If Harris was playing this would be a clear advantage for Oregon.
It will be interesting to see if either of the coaches catch each other's trick plays.
KEYS TO THE GAME
1. LSU D-LINE - LSU must dominate the matchup with Oregon;s O-Line. If it is close to a draw and Oregon can run their offense, they score 30+
2. Oregon's Front 7 - In the National Championship game Auburn disrupted Oregon's O, but no more than Oregon disrupted Auburn's, even with Cam Newton. LSU needs to run to set up Lee for some play action, and to keep Oregon's offense off the field. Will Oregon's new front 7 pull it together quickly enough to disrupt LSU's ground game?
I am sure this will be an entertaining game. I see 3 likely outcomes
A- LSU shuts down and frustrates Oregon's offense, Oregon breaks a couple of long runs, but also has a couple of turnovers. LSU runs several long drives. Final score LSU 21 Oregon 13
B- LSU does well in the first half up 14-7, but Oregon;s pacing (even faster than 2010) and some half time adjustments turn the tide, and Oregon wins 35-28 on 4th quarter TD pass to Huff or Paulsen.
C- Oregon gets a couple of quick scores and LSU is forced to play catch up, Lee is intercepted 3 times, and Oregon wins 52-10.
ADVANTAGE LSU
1. Preparation Time - Oregon is not a gimmick team but they do have a unique pace and scheme, and extra preparation time does help
2. D-Line - Oregon has made a living on being a little smaller but faster on the lines. Up until now they have trouble with the few schools that were as fast and athletic on the lines AND had greater size
3. Secondary - LSU has the toughest secondary Oregon has seen in 2 years. That plus inexperienced wideouts means LSU could significantly shut down the medium to long passing game.
ADVANTAGE OREGON
1. Darren Thomas - A lot was made of how JJ had improved, but from the reports, DT may have improved as much, and he started a lot higher. If his passing accuracy, and handling the reins of the Zone-read have improved 20%, you are looking at a better QB than anyone in the SEC, which means you can not stack the box on the Oregon running game.
2. Depth - I have heard that LSU has good depth, but Oregon regularly plays 25 players a game on defense. You can not have defensive starters go the whole game against Oregon, they will be dragging by the 3rd quarter, even if they are in excellent shape. I think LSU has the depth on the D-Line, but I wonder how your backup Secondary and Linebackers will do?
3. Coaching - I know LSU has excellent coaching, Miles is good, and Chavis may be the best D-Coordinator in the country. But Kelly is a genius, and our positions coaches as a group are the most experienced and skilled in the nation. The way this will show up in the game is that there will be at least a half dozen OK players who become stars every year. I would look out for Turner, Tuinei, Clay, Mitchell, and Heimuli and Huff if they are healthy.
OVERALL COMMENTS
Why Oregon has failed in a couple of big games - Oregon has been playing at an elite level without the top 10 recruiting classes every year like Alabama, LSU, and USC and other elite programs have had. In the big games with a lot of prep other schools have been able to exploit this weakness in size/athleticism. But Oregon is getting better recruits, and that gap is closing. The only matchup where LSU has a decided size/athleticism advantage is your D-Line vs. Oregon's O-Line.
Missing Players - I think the losses are Harris and Jefferson are about equal. JJ is a quarterback, but as many have said, the drop off to Lee is not great, and Harris is a huge threat. If Alonzo plays, I think the Ducks are at a slight advantage because of the loss of Sheppard.
Even - I think LSU may be used to having the edge in trick plays and Special Teams, but not this time. Kelly has run as may trick plays, possibly More successfully and Oregon is strong on all special teams. If Harris was playing this would be a clear advantage for Oregon.
It will be interesting to see if either of the coaches catch each other's trick plays.
KEYS TO THE GAME
1. LSU D-LINE - LSU must dominate the matchup with Oregon;s O-Line. If it is close to a draw and Oregon can run their offense, they score 30+
2. Oregon's Front 7 - In the National Championship game Auburn disrupted Oregon's O, but no more than Oregon disrupted Auburn's, even with Cam Newton. LSU needs to run to set up Lee for some play action, and to keep Oregon's offense off the field. Will Oregon's new front 7 pull it together quickly enough to disrupt LSU's ground game?
I am sure this will be an entertaining game. I see 3 likely outcomes
A- LSU shuts down and frustrates Oregon's offense, Oregon breaks a couple of long runs, but also has a couple of turnovers. LSU runs several long drives. Final score LSU 21 Oregon 13
B- LSU does well in the first half up 14-7, but Oregon;s pacing (even faster than 2010) and some half time adjustments turn the tide, and Oregon wins 35-28 on 4th quarter TD pass to Huff or Paulsen.
C- Oregon gets a couple of quick scores and LSU is forced to play catch up, Lee is intercepted 3 times, and Oregon wins 52-10.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 1:36 am to litangel
we will own the trenches. All of them.
have a great day!
have a great day!
Posted on 8/27/11 at 1:38 am to poncho villa
your avatar looks like she just farted.
i bet it smells good too
i bet it smells good too
Posted on 8/27/11 at 1:40 am to litangel
lsu has the edge on the lines IMO, thus a little advantage even without JJ.
still, "we" tend to struggle against teams who run a legitimately good spread, should be really close.
still, "we" tend to struggle against teams who run a legitimately good spread, should be really close.
This post was edited on 8/27/11 at 1:41 am
Posted on 8/27/11 at 1:42 am to litangel
auburn and cal put out the blueprint. If we read and react we are done. If we blow shite up in the backfield we win.
night!
night!
Posted on 8/27/11 at 1:52 am to litangel
quote:
I have heard that LSU has good depth, but Oregon regularly plays 25 players a game on defense. You can not have defensive starters go the whole game against Oregon, they will be dragging by the 3rd quarter, even if they are in excellent shape. I think LSU has the depth on the D-Line, but I wonder how your backup Secondary and Linebackers will do?
LB depth might suck. Minter could be good, Barrow and Jones have experience but aren't that hot. We will probably play a lot of nickel anyawy. DB depth should be fine. We have 3 excellent safetys (Reid, Loston and Taylor) and 4 solid CBs (Claiborne, T-Rex, Simon and Brooks)
I agree with most everything else. I think we see a close, sloppy game that will be decided late.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 1:58 am to dreaux
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auburn and cal put out the blueprint. If we read and react we are done. If we blow shite up in the backfield we win.
night!
So did Ohio St and Boise St. It's not like Oregon just started running this. Preparation time seems to be the common denominator. My guess it will be a similar game to Auburn and Ohio St.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 2:19 am to litangel
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1. Darren Thomas
I'm expecting to see TM7, Ron Brooks and/or Hatcher to spy/blitz Thomas a good bit. They're all very capable open field tacklers and quick enough (the first two exceptionally so) to run Thomas down. I expect to see Thomas under considerable, consistent duress throughout the game, and I expect his numbers through the air will show it. The bigger element while Oregon has the ball is how LaMichael James fairs IMO.
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2. Depth
There is significant depth at the ends and solid depth in the middle of the line (8 player rotation). A bit thin at linebacker. The starters are all experienced (if Hatcher starts at least), and the two-three guys behind are expected to play a lot this season. That said, LSU plays a lot of 5 man DB looks, and that's where LSU's depth is the most impressive. The top three safeties (Taylor, Reid, Loston) are all monsters and ball hawks. TM7 and Brooks are missiles and ballhawks. Claiborne and Simon are very tall ball hawks. Ronnie Vinson is a name we might get to know this season a bit more. The depth on LSU's defense is stupid. Don't know why you'd want to compare Oregon's defensive depth to LSU's. Don't know how you can think advantage goes to Oregon there.
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3. Coaching
Fair enough, but I'll take LSU's genie over Oregon's genius any day.
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Kelly has run as may trick plays, possibly More successfully
I honestly can't think of a single instance where Les Miles went for a trick play and it failed. Even the two onside kicks I can recall were successful even though everyone knew they were coming. herro tricky LINK
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Oregon is strong on all special teams. If Harris was playing this would be a clear advantage for Oregon.
I understand Harris is good, but LSU's kick coverage teams are brutal. There were a number of instances last year where Brooks caught a punt around the 2 yard line, though we are breaking in new kickers. PP7 is out from the return team, but LSU has a capable stable of ballers to fill those shoes.
I think you'll see LSU establish a power run game early, and drink from that well most of the night. The o line is a group of vets, though LSU is breaking in the #1 tackle coming out of high school this last year to replace our starting guard. If LSU wins that battle then expect to see Oregon trying to play catch up.
As for 52-10: LSU has mercilessly beaten highly ranked opponents when given some prep time, and I expect this to be little different. I see LSU jumping out early on Oregon and frustrating the Oregon offense all day. You're 3rd scenario ain't gonna happen. LSU hasn't been rolled since the Florida game in '08 (the Georgia game that year wasn't particularly close), and even that game with that Florida team against that LSU defense (finished in the bottom of SEC defenses that year) the score wasn't as lopsided as your 3rd scenario. Far more likely to see a 42-10 LSU victory than a 52-10 Oregon win.
Time will tell, but I look forward to it!
Posted on 8/27/11 at 2:21 am to litangel
quote:Care to make a wager?
Oregon wins 52-10.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 2:53 am to litangel
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Lee is intercepted 3 times, and Oregon wins 52-10.
dude if you realy belive yall are even coming close to 57 points, you need to put the drank away and get a cup of coffe maybe some water might help
Posted on 8/27/11 at 2:56 am to litangel
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2. Depth - I have heard that LSU has good depth, but Oregon regularly plays 25 players a game on defense. You can not have defensive starters go the whole game against Oregon, they will be dragging by the 3rd quarter, even if they are in excellent shape. I think LSU has the depth on the D-Line, but I wonder how your backup Secondary and Linebackers will do?
Exceptionally. I worry more about the guys up front, but the guys in back will have no problem.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 3:07 am to litangel
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Oregon is a gimmick team
FIFY
tl:dr after that
Posted on 8/27/11 at 3:13 am to litangel
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Oregon wins 52-10
PLEASE! As John McEnroe would say "you CANNOT be serious".
How about this? Auburn's 2010 defense was not as good or talented as the 2011 defense will be. Blur Offense my arse!
Jarrett Lee doesn't have to be Tom Brady. He won't be trying to run Garry Crowton's chaotic, confusing and dysfunctional offense. We can be patient.
I expect a tough, close game. An Oregon blowout is as likely as you or me nailing Brooklyn Decker. You're talking out of your arse on that score. I could just as easily said Montgomery, Mathieu, Reed create three Tiger defensive scores, send DT to the JerryWorld infirmary and LSU wins in a rout. That's just speculative BS and not likely.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 3:45 am to litangel
I know it was just one of your scenarios, but Oregon scoring 52 points is certifiably nuts. Not going to happen.
That they are missing a couple pieces on O now doesn't mean that the LSU D is suddenly going to turn into New Mexico's.
That they are missing a couple pieces on O now doesn't mean that the LSU D is suddenly going to turn into New Mexico's.
This post was edited on 8/27/11 at 3:52 am
Posted on 8/27/11 at 4:07 am to PDXAnas
Our defense will be the big story, shutout.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 4:30 am to zeebo
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Our defense will be the big story, shutout.
Definitely looks like a tough D. But hold Oregon to zero, and there's no doubt at all in my mind that LSU goes on to win the BCS NCG, easily.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 4:50 am to PDXAnas
He misspelled Darron Thomas...if a fellow Duck fan can't spell a player's name right, I stop reading at that point. Credibility lost.
It's not like Darron is tough either, I mean c'mon it's not like trying to make a point about Andre Yruretagoyena.
It's not like Darron is tough either, I mean c'mon it's not like trying to make a point about Andre Yruretagoyena.
Posted on 8/27/11 at 6:32 am to litangel
For some one that was doing very well on an indepth analysis for their first post you end it going full ranter with that score prediction...
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