re: Is JJ's image beyond repair no matter what at this point?

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why is it you think Miles sees it differently?



I like Miles a lot, but it baffles the hell out of me.

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I don't think it is that baffling. I posted above regarding the myriad ways that pre-existing bias can influence data assessment and evaluation. If (and I admit that this premise is speculation) Miles truly has a close personal relationship with JJ and conciously or unconciously yearns for JJ's success out of affection, he might easily misinterpret practice evidence. Inadvertently, unintentionally, in the best of faith, but misinterpet nonetheless. That's how bias works.

Also, I tend to categorically reject the notion that head coaches are infallible. They aren't. Thus, it's not persuasive to simply declare that the head coach has made a decision. While it is true that the head coach has made a decision, the fact of that decision doesn't guarantee its accuracy. Otherwise, every argument could be ended with the tautology: "the head coach knows best." And coaches would never be wrong. In practice, head coaches are often wrong and fans often right. For example, Miles apparently believed that Peveto and Mallory were actually capable of leading an SEC defense. Fans immediately balked, and for good reason. Subsequent events proved that the fans prognostication was correct and Miles' assessment was erroneous. Going back further in time, Saban's maniacal insistence on playing Randall ahead of JR proved questionable. Going further back still, DiNardo and Tepper actually and earnestly believed that Dunson could prove to be an invaluable and effective "drop linebacker" in the SEC. Another blunder. Coaches are wrong all of the time. They are just men, limited as us all, not oracles. Further, despite its uninque jargon, football is not quantum mechanics. It really isn't. Fans can arrive at informed conclusions based on close observation and analysis of the games.

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You're just picking random points in the season and trying to justify a "season-long" argument.

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Actually, completion percentage, TD to INT ratio, and rating all favor Lee when looking at the entire season.

He never did have the image of a leader. One touchdown pass and it will pass; however, one interception and it's back.

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We didn't win a single game because of JJ

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just curious, did we win any because of Lee?

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Hey Geaux TM sorry i was on a conference call and just got back.

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No worries...I was doing homework with my 9 year old!

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I do not doubt you have run across racist fans as have I but possibly you more so to date than I though I will say as a kid going to the games in the 70's I did witness alot of that more so than now. I think that base is different from the one now but again I dont discount the possibility that you have seen more of the racial side than I.

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To be honest, I think it's more along the lines that as I've gotten older (I'm only 41 but still) I've become far less tolerant of it. I guess much of that is simply a desire to not have said around my boys the types of stupid. hateful things that were said around me by most folks when I was growing up. I guess someone could accuse me of being hypersensitive, but I'd disagree.

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I actually did/do like JaMarcus but mentione Ro and Herb as they are two of my personal favorites especially Ro. I didnt feel the need to list all the black qb's to play at LSU to make my point and not saying you asked me to, just making a point.

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Understood...I brought up the JaMarcus/Flynn issue because I think it more specifically points to what I'm saying. The fact that to this day, you can have otherwise rational people suggest that Russell PREVENTED LSU from winning a title in 2006 and had Flynn been under center he'd have led them to a title LIKE HE DID in 2007 (an argument I've dismantled more times than I care to count) still blows my mind. so if raw stats were good enough, then Russell should never have been on the outs with as many fans as he always was.

In Ro's case, the guy was just so fantastic to watch...after the 2000 Tenn game, he essentially became a folk hero and he solidified that with big numbers and great leadership in 2001. I love me some Rohan!

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I think if you look at my post history you will see where I posted a week or two ago the only problem I had with Russel and Flynn was I wished they werent in the same class i.e if Russel would have been 2 or 3 classes ahead we could have gotten multiple seasons with both as our starting qb

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Hadn't seen that, but I agree and have said a similar thing. I really liked Flynn, both as a player and as a guy who stuck with his commitment he made very early despite LSU getting the commitment from the kid from N. LA who ended up at ole Miss, and then JaMarcus' late. good guy...good player, and I couldn;t be happier that his efforts are seemingly paying off in the NFL.

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I think part of the problem in the Flynn/Russell thing was in the majority of the losses when Russell started (and there were few)he had some not so good games and Flynn did not play very much except when he looked incredible in the 40-3 route of Miami in the Peach Bowl giving some fans an unrealistic view of Flynn's ability

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This is where I think some confirmation bias comes into play...probably for both sides. When I look back at 2005 and 2006, I see a guy practically carrying his offense down the field, despite drop after drop in 2005. Yes...had Russell simply laid the ball out further to Doucet in what all LSU fans consider to be a perfectly clear PI call at AU in 2006, there would have been no need for a call because he'd have caught it in the endzone... I've never blamed JR for the lose ball on the goal line at UF, and it's my memory that the center at the time took the blame for not getting it to him. As for Flynn during that time, he had had some great sub possessions, most notably the second half of the North Texas game where he tossed 3 TD's and of course the Peach. But he also looked like crap against Iowa...remember? Team Flynn's response at the time (and there was already a Team Flynn) was that if JR had not been hogging all the snaps with the 1st team, Flynn would have been prepared and looked great. So even in looking bad he couldn't look bad to some...

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I agree with you Russell over Flynn however I would say I thought both were very good college qb's and I wish as I said earlier we could have had both start for multiple seasons. If push came to shove I would vote Russell but if I could I would prefer to have both just at different times.

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Agreed...and I'd punch a nun in her face at this moment to have Flynn over any QB on our roster, despite the fact that I preferred Russell at the time!

I appreciate the chance to discuss this with you...thanks.