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Call me Burkeian....I'd prefer the SEC as it is
Posted on 8/16/11 at 8:07 am
Posted on 8/16/11 at 8:07 am
I know the arguments for - TAMU brings a big TV market and SEC exposure in Texas, but who cares?
The SEC has been and will be fine without them. And A & M will be fine without the SEC. Adding A & M is roughly the equivalent of adding a further out Arkansas with people who seem like they're trapped a little deeper in the 1970's. No real rivals - well, maybe LSU - a town in the flat middle of nowhere, and a cumbersome road trip to a stadium no one cares about.
Let them stay where their rivals are.
A & M fits with SEC culture about like WD-40 mixes with vodka. There's nothing wrong with the people there, they're good people, beef barbecue eating, nut grabbing, date kissing people. But not SEC people. As to the aspect of no expansion and A & M staying put, both TAMU and the SEC would make plenty of money and do well fiscally and athletically. As Richard Justice so eloquently put it though "unless money buys wisdom, Texas A&M has nothing to worry about in the Big 12. Unfortunately, money and wisdom aren't driving the debate here. This is one is all about ego."
A & M probably has to come to the SEC at this point. Again as Richard Justice put it, A & M has to "go to save face". And
them and Texas for their little pee pee measuring contest.
The SEC has been and will be fine without them. And A & M will be fine without the SEC. Adding A & M is roughly the equivalent of adding a further out Arkansas with people who seem like they're trapped a little deeper in the 1970's. No real rivals - well, maybe LSU - a town in the flat middle of nowhere, and a cumbersome road trip to a stadium no one cares about.
Let them stay where their rivals are.
A & M fits with SEC culture about like WD-40 mixes with vodka. There's nothing wrong with the people there, they're good people, beef barbecue eating, nut grabbing, date kissing people. But not SEC people. As to the aspect of no expansion and A & M staying put, both TAMU and the SEC would make plenty of money and do well fiscally and athletically. As Richard Justice so eloquently put it though "unless money buys wisdom, Texas A&M has nothing to worry about in the Big 12. Unfortunately, money and wisdom aren't driving the debate here. This is one is all about ego."
A & M probably has to come to the SEC at this point. Again as Richard Justice put it, A & M has to "go to save face". And
them and Texas for their little pee pee measuring contest.
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Posted on 8/16/11 at 8:11 am to smelvis
I argree. There's no compelling reason to add A&M. Yes there's more money for tv contracts but 12 is the best number for a conference. Plus, are they really a good fit? If we take A&M it's like taking Okie State or or Kansas State.
Posted on 8/16/11 at 8:17 am to smelvis
If there will be 14 or 16 team conferences in the future, the SEC needs to be proactive and snatch up the best available teams.
If the big conferences are going to max out at 12 teams, then, sure, we are fine as is. But it seems to be moving to the 14 or 16 team direction...
If the big conferences are going to max out at 12 teams, then, sure, we are fine as is. But it seems to be moving to the 14 or 16 team direction...
Posted on 8/16/11 at 8:23 am to Chicken
A 16 team SEC will mean the death of the greatest league this decade. LSU will be returned to the status of the old SEC where you rarely, if ever, played SEC east teams.
The desire for 16 team conferences is the dream child of the Pac10 and B1G to dilute the SEC.
The desire for 16 team conferences is the dream child of the Pac10 and B1G to dilute the SEC.
Posted on 8/16/11 at 8:26 am to smelvis
A&M is worth the potential legal trouble they would bring along. And the "they add the Houston and Dallas markets" stuff is overstated. We say that kind of thing as if people in Houston or Dallas have never heard of the SEC and won't be watching the LSU/Alabama game this year or something.
Posted on 8/16/11 at 8:29 am to Chicken
quote:What's the worst-case scenario if the SEC doesn't make the first move? It appears that the Pac-12 and Big Ten are the ones who otherwise would move first. If the Pac-12 goes first, they'll probably take some southern Big 12 schools; if the Big Ten moves, they're probably moving northeast.
If there will be 14 or 16 team conferences in the future, the SEC needs to be proactive and snatch up the best available teams.
That still leaves Virginia Tech, West Virginia, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Florida State, Miami, and Louisville (and many others) ripe for the pickin'. The SEC can pick any four of those, and they'll still be #1 for a long, long time.
Sure, it's better to be proactive than reactive, but the SEC is in such a good position that there is no need to hurry with these things.
This post was edited on 8/16/11 at 8:30 am
Posted on 8/16/11 at 8:34 am to xiv
When Washington State and Minnesota are making 1.5x y'all in football revenue, for another decade, you'd be singing a different tune, because everyone would be dogging the SEC for being second-tier in media contracts.
You don't have to like A&M to the SEC, but the SEC needs a plausible way to renegotiate and get the other $500M or so that's "left on the table"
You don't have to like A&M to the SEC, but the SEC needs a plausible way to renegotiate and get the other $500M or so that's "left on the table"
Posted on 8/16/11 at 8:36 am to Smoke Ring
quote:Uh-oh. It's beginning. The Aggies are starting with the "y'all need us" crap.
You don't have to like A&M to the SEC, but the SEC needs a plausible way to renegotiate and get the other $500M or so that's "left on the table"
(I keep saying, the Aggies are no different from the Longhorns--they both think their shite don't stink. What pisses the Aggies off is that the Longhorns' shite actually stinks a little less than theirs.)
Posted on 8/16/11 at 8:40 am to xiv
In the big picture, the SEC doesn't NEED anybody. Period.
But if the SEC wants more money from its football media contracts, then it has to add someone.
Nice try, though.
But if the SEC wants more money from its football media contracts, then it has to add someone.
Nice try, though.
This post was edited on 8/16/11 at 8:42 am
Posted on 8/16/11 at 8:44 am to Smoke Ring
quote:Nice try at what?
Nice try, though.
Posted on 8/16/11 at 8:47 am to Chicken
quote:
moving to the 14 or 16 team direction
If you throw enough crap against the wall something is bound to stick.
My point conference usa could have 20 teams and still nobody would give a sh-t.
A&M in the SEC makes them more attractive to recruits.
The big 12/10 being weak helps LSU with Texas recruits.
Posted on 8/16/11 at 8:47 am to Chicken
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But it seems to be moving to the 14 or 16 team direction...
Agreed. Larry Scott and the PAC-12 nearly moved college football to the 16-team conference model with its agreement to take in half of the Big 12 including both of the major Texas D-1 programs (which would have hammerlocked the media market for the PAC-12).
Only A&M (or, if you're one of the deluded, Baylor) kept the deal from going through (and I'm surprised that the PAC-12 didn't go through with the deal minus A&M since it had Utah as its fallback offer (and Utah could have been the 16th member of the new PAC-16 just as easily as it became the 12th member of the PAC-12).
Posted on 8/16/11 at 8:50 am to smelvis
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Adding A & M is roughly the equivalent of adding a further out Arkansas with people who seem like they're trapped a little deeper in the 1970's. No real rivals - well, maybe LSU - a town in the flat middle of nowhere, and a cumbersome road trip to a stadium no one cares about.
Funny people bring up Arkansas. Hell Arkansas brought more to the SEC since they've joined than some other schools. At least Arkansas competes for championships, been to a BCS bowl, won NCAA national titles in other sports, etc. I promise you Arkansas is more respected as a athletic Dept around country more than some other SEC schools.
Posted on 8/16/11 at 8:51 am to Smoke Ring
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But if the SEC wants more money from its football media contracts, then it has to add someone
whooa whooa whooa! How much was that deal the SEC struck with CBS and ESPN.
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SEC Commissioner Mike Slive Friday announced that the conference "will distribute about $209.0 million this year -- an average of $17.3 million to each school," according to Scott Hotard of the Baton Rouge ADVOCATE. That figure is up 57.7% from '09, when schools divided about $132.5M. This year's revenue was "the first to reflect the financial benefits" of the SEC's "lucrative 15-year contracts with CBS and ESPN." Hotard noted a difference of $65.6M "in TV provided most" of the record $66.5M revenue increase. The SEC this year "generated $109.5 million from football television and $30 million from basketball television" (Baton Rouge ADVOCATE, 6/5). In Atlanta, Tim Tucker noted the payout was "slightly higher than most projections." Univ. of Georgia President Michael Adams said, "This meeting, with the new (TV) contract and all, may be as much a celebration as any one I've seen in 13 years
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The Southeastern Conference has signed a 15-year deal with ESPN reportedly worth more than $2 billion to televise sporting events, including football and men's and women's basketball.
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Texas A&M and their mason fan base want in on this pussy/money. I say f-ck'em.
here is me going a little over the edge
Its almost becoming a conspiracy to bring down LSU by the aggies. Hell! Bush senior tried to get Bertman to hire RC fricking Slocum after Saban left. Evil Bastards!
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This post was edited on 8/16/11 at 9:05 am
Posted on 8/16/11 at 8:54 am to Smoke Ring
quote:
You don't have to like A&M to the SEC, but the SEC needs a plausible way to renegotiate and get the other $500M or so that's "left on the table"
Which already exists.
Posted on 8/16/11 at 8:56 am to Placebeaux
Placebaux,
The Pac 12 deal is bigger than the SEC deal, and the B1G 10 network is bringing in more money this year than the SEC deal.
In a way, the SEC got penalized for "going first" and showing the world how much money is out there.
The SEC is the best, and can stay pat and probably be okay for a while. But eventually, not being paid like #1 will catch up ...
The Pac 12 deal is bigger than the SEC deal, and the B1G 10 network is bringing in more money this year than the SEC deal.
In a way, the SEC got penalized for "going first" and showing the world how much money is out there.
The SEC is the best, and can stay pat and probably be okay for a while. But eventually, not being paid like #1 will catch up ...
Posted on 8/16/11 at 8:57 am to Smoke Ring
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Which already exists.
A "look in" is not the same as adding Top 10 TV markets to the media footprint. Not even close.
Posted on 8/16/11 at 8:58 am to bayou2003
quote:
Funny people bring up Arkansas. Hell Arkansas brought more to the SEC since they've joined than some other schools. At least Arkansas competes for championships, been to a BCS bowl, won NCAA national titles in other sports, etc. I promise you Arkansas is more respected as a athletic Dept around country more than some other SEC schools.
Okay.
But really, WGAS? It's Arkansas. They have been, are, and will be an outlier in the SEC - absent of a true rival and always just a little bit different. When you beat Arkansas - yay, you beat Arkansas. When you lose to them, who cares?
Nobody actually works with Arkansas fans.
Kinda the same thing with TAMU.
Posted on 8/16/11 at 9:00 am to Smoke Ring
quote:
A "look in" is not the same as adding Top 10 TV markets to the media footprint. Not even close.
Meh.
I think the SEC will be fine regarding media contracts.
TAMU's addition is a zero sum game.
Posted on 8/16/11 at 9:01 am to smelvis
quote:
Okay.
But really, WGAS? It's Arkansas. They have been, are, and will be an outlier in the SEC - absent of a true rival and always just a little bit different. When you beat Arkansas - yay, you beat Arkansas. When you lose to them, who cares?
Nobody actually works with Arkansas fans.
Kinda the same thing with TAMU.
You can say the same thing about Vanderbilt. What are they bringing sports wise to the SEC?? It's not always about rivals or hating another team. Who hates VANDY, hell Tenn hates UGA and Bama more.
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