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Big 12 was shortsighted in shunning TCU
Posted on 1/4/11 at 10:51 pm
Posted on 1/4/11 at 10:51 pm
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Posted on 1/4/11 at 10:52 pm to trackfan
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I think the SEC should replace Vanderbilt with TCU.
SEC won't kick out a founding member of the conference. Plus, we need at least 1 cupcake in the conference.
This post was edited on 1/4/11 at 10:53 pm
Posted on 1/4/11 at 10:53 pm to trackfan
How will we keep our GPA up then? 
Posted on 1/4/11 at 10:53 pm to trackfan
This, i have no idea why they wouldn't let them in. Boot Baylor it if you have to. TCU dosn't belong in the fricking BE
Posted on 1/4/11 at 10:55 pm to Esarhaddon
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i have no idea why they wouldn't let them in
They bring no new TV sets to the conference. I think we have been through this at least 20 times over the past 6 months on this board
This post was edited on 1/4/11 at 10:56 pm
Posted on 1/4/11 at 10:55 pm to rollthatback
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They bring no new TV sets to the conference. I think we have been through this t least 20 times over the past 6 months on this board
SO fricking what? Who else are you going to get?
Posted on 1/4/11 at 10:56 pm to Esarhaddon
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TCU dosn't belong in the fricking BE
I think it had more to do with the Big East fighting for survival in maintaining its BCS AQ slot. Adding TCU pretty much guaranteed that.
As for the Big 12, it's pretty much run by Texas and Oklahoma. I'm sure it had to do with the unequal revenue sharing and Texas not playing well with others. Texas will be the downfall of the Big 12....sooner than later imo.
Posted on 1/4/11 at 11:00 pm to Esarhaddon
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SO fricking what? Who else are you going to get?
So what?
You do know the entire reason confernece expansion happens is to bring more TV sets (aka more money) to the conference, right?
And the Big 12 doesn't really need to add anyone.
Posted on 1/4/11 at 11:02 pm to Esarhaddon
baba, why would they want to to split the tv money into smaller bits? As for kicking out Baylor, the only reason they are in over TCU in the first place was political pressure, they won't get kicked out.
Posted on 1/4/11 at 11:05 pm to GeauxTigersLee
Funny that Texas gets blamed for the unequal revenue, Nebraska didn't mind when they were #1 and on TV all the time and Texas had a losing record.
Posted on 1/4/11 at 11:08 pm to rollthatback
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So what?
You do know the entire reason confernece expansion happens is to bring more TV sets (aka more money) to the conference, right?
And the Big 12 doesn't really need to add anyone.
The Big 12 is toast, possibly after this season. They committed $11-13M to all 10 schools plus bonuses for OU, UT, and TAMU to bring their payouts up to $20M per year. The conference's ability to generate that is based on PROJECTED ad revenue from an ESPN contract that still hasn't been signed and is dramatically more than their last one, which had two additional universities with large followings, the Denver market, the entire state of Nebraska, and a conference championship game. There is a reason that TAMU is continuing to posture about leaving, and that's because if anyone doesn't get their bonus up to $20M it'll be them, and they've said if they don't get it they're suing the Big 12 on the way out the door. Beebe made promises that he may not be able to deliver.
This post was edited on 1/4/11 at 11:09 pm
Posted on 1/4/11 at 11:10 pm to TIGERSandFROGS
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They Big 12 is toast, possibly after this season.
So adding TCU would prevent this?
Posted on 1/4/11 at 11:16 pm to H-Town Tiger
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baba, why would they want to to split the tv money into smaller bits? As for kicking out Baylor, the only reason they are in over TCU in the first place was political pressure, they won't get kicked out.
So they don't mind being a 10 team conference? No conference game and less chance of a BCS at-large= less money.
Posted on 1/4/11 at 11:18 pm to rollthatback
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So adding TCU would prevent this?
It wouldn't.
I was getting at the point that TCU may have just cut to the chase by joining the Big East, which is where they would have likely ended up after scrambling when the Big 12 dissolved--that is, if they had been invited to the Big 12, which never happened nor would happen (and supposedly Beebe told TCU AD Chris Del Conte that it won't ever happen during the final negotiations with the Big East). Eventually, you may see Texas go indy with their own TV network, OU and TAMU go to the SEC, and everyone else scrambling for a home. The Big East may absorb some of the better remaining pieces in a western division with TCU and Louisville, but I'd bet the MWC and maybe CUSA ends up picking up many of them.
Posted on 1/4/11 at 11:22 pm to TIGERSandFROGS
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Eventually, you may see Texas go indy with their own TV network, OU and TAMU go to the SEC, and everyone else scrambling for a home.
I would be ecstatic with this, but I worry about all the political issues of the Texas schools and OU/OSU going separate ways
Posted on 1/4/11 at 11:23 pm to rollthatback
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So what?
You do know the entire reason confernece expansion happens is to bring more TV sets (aka more money) to the conference, right?
And the Big 12 doesn't really need to add anyone.
+1000.. this is why they weren't seriously considered.
Posted on 1/4/11 at 11:37 pm to rollthatback
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I would be ecstatic with this, but I worry about all the political issues of the Texas schools and OU/OSU going separate ways
As long as Texas and OU kept their yearly game and OSU was one of the teams that could scramble to the Big East, it wouldn't be a problem. TTech and Baylor are non-factors as they don't have the political pull they once had and as long as both Texas and TAMU improve their positions, TTech losing it's income stream would be an acceptable loss for the state legislature (Baylor is private, as you know, so the legislature wouldn't have to worry about offsetting their losses in revenue).
This is of course all me just guessing what would happen. In reality, ESPN may take a hit and just put up the money for the contract in order to keep their Texas/OU/TAMU rights--but even that won't last. I think Texas' bad year delayed any independent network launches they may have been considering (their stadium was half empty at the end of the season). I just don't see how adding so much to a TV contract is sustainable when you're losing so much from last year's conference attributes to this year's.
Posted on 1/4/11 at 11:47 pm to trackfan
Big 12 fumbled the ball on that one. I'm guessing Texas or some other schools probably don't want TCU in the conference.
Posted on 1/4/11 at 11:51 pm to Esarhaddon
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So they don't mind being a 10 team conference? No conference game and less chance of a BCS at-large= less money.
I don't mind them being either, but they need to get serious and switch names with the Big Ten
Posted on 1/5/11 at 12:19 am to QuestionEverything
Regarless of new TV sets, having an 11 team conference with TCU is better than a 10 team conference without TCU
I think the Big 12 should have added BYU and TCU in the wake of the recent departures. This would preserve their lucrative championship game, keep the TV viewers in the Rocky Mountains, and maintain the competitiveness of the conference. It would also give them the chance to move Oklahoma to the north and set up a Red River rematch every year in the title game.
I think the Big 12 should have added BYU and TCU in the wake of the recent departures. This would preserve their lucrative championship game, keep the TV viewers in the Rocky Mountains, and maintain the competitiveness of the conference. It would also give them the chance to move Oklahoma to the north and set up a Red River rematch every year in the title game.
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