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Les is haunted by Schembechler’s shadow
Posted on 10/31/10 at 9:46 pm
Posted on 10/31/10 at 9:46 pm
As with many I agonize over the perceived underachievement of our football team and often try to make sense of it (something not easily done). I don’t think Les is as bad as some make him out to be but I do think he’s haunted by Schembechler’s shadow – his mentor.
After the ’08 QB/co-DC debacle, Les returned to his roots – Schembechler. Hence, with rare exception we have played “not to lose” as opposed to dominate, pillage, and destroy. On D we play to keep things in front of us, don’t give-up the big play, bend-don’t-break, etc and on O we typically play not to turn the ball over. After ’08 Les took the keys from Crowton, installed those NASCAR restrictor plate things, and lets him out only in daylight hours and with adult supervision (so I for one don’t think GC is the main holdup on O (as none less than DMitch have hinted at)).
Les is ok with huge disparity in TOP and yards, just don’t give up big plays and don’t turn the ball over. That’s his MO.
IMO, the lone exception is the UF game of this year. After the UF game I really though Les had seen the light and realized we are not going to win any sort of championship in the SEC by the Schembechler approach. Wrong. We went right back to this against Auburn. Vanilla on O and D. Yes, I think Les engineered the whole game plan in vintage Schembechlerism (and with about 7 minutes to go and the score tied 17-17 and our ball on the 40 he was almost vindicated).
Les has so much going for him and the handful of flaws are seemingly easily correctable. But until he escapes Schembechler’s shadow and begins to trust his players and coordinators, game-plans aggressively, and allows them to play aggressively, we will play down to our competition and continue to see the underachievement.
One final note, if you want to see what kind of team we’re really capable of having just look at ST’s.
After the ’08 QB/co-DC debacle, Les returned to his roots – Schembechler. Hence, with rare exception we have played “not to lose” as opposed to dominate, pillage, and destroy. On D we play to keep things in front of us, don’t give-up the big play, bend-don’t-break, etc and on O we typically play not to turn the ball over. After ’08 Les took the keys from Crowton, installed those NASCAR restrictor plate things, and lets him out only in daylight hours and with adult supervision (so I for one don’t think GC is the main holdup on O (as none less than DMitch have hinted at)).
Les is ok with huge disparity in TOP and yards, just don’t give up big plays and don’t turn the ball over. That’s his MO.
IMO, the lone exception is the UF game of this year. After the UF game I really though Les had seen the light and realized we are not going to win any sort of championship in the SEC by the Schembechler approach. Wrong. We went right back to this against Auburn. Vanilla on O and D. Yes, I think Les engineered the whole game plan in vintage Schembechlerism (and with about 7 minutes to go and the score tied 17-17 and our ball on the 40 he was almost vindicated).
Les has so much going for him and the handful of flaws are seemingly easily correctable. But until he escapes Schembechler’s shadow and begins to trust his players and coordinators, game-plans aggressively, and allows them to play aggressively, we will play down to our competition and continue to see the underachievement.
One final note, if you want to see what kind of team we’re really capable of having just look at ST’s.
This post was edited on 11/1/10 at 8:30 am
Posted on 10/31/10 at 10:42 pm to AlwysATgr
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and on O we typically play not to turn the ball over
we can't start a game without the QB turning the ball over. It's as guaranteed as the national anthem before the game.
Posted on 10/31/10 at 10:43 pm to south bama tiger
If he wants to be Bo, then let him get his ARSE to Mich... Get the hell out of here....
Posted on 10/31/10 at 11:11 pm to south bama tiger
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we can't start a game without the QB turning the ball over. It's as guaranteed as the national anthem before the game.
with Obama, the National Athem is in question.
Posted on 11/1/10 at 6:40 am to Hitchcock
But Bo, Les is not. He can't even explain the stupid stuff that he causes the team to do during games, like claiming that the infamous 4th and 6 play involved two plays being called, and the line and WR thought it was one play and the QB and RB's thought it was another. Except one guy who didn't even show up for the play. This shows also how calm and collected he is in critical situations. And, his play-calling gyrations occurred during a time-out.
This post was edited on 11/1/10 at 6:43 am
Posted on 11/1/10 at 6:43 am to Hitchcock
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with Obama, the National Athem is in question.
OKay, Grizzly Momma.
Posted on 11/1/10 at 6:55 am to AlwysATgr
Now and then a team comes along that is just special. That was LSU in '03 and '07. Things just jelled. For LSU, this is simply not one of those years. Our quarterback play is substandard but it's more than that. I watched an Oregon team play Saturday night like they really would not have wanted to be anyplace else but the LA Coliseum. The way they hit, run up to the line for the snap - everything about them says "Bring it. We ain't backing down from anybody." I just don't see that desire in this year's Tiger team, but damn, I saw it in '03 and again in '07 and I'm grateful for it.
Posted on 11/1/10 at 7:07 am to willeteal
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OKay, Grizzly Momma.
This post was edited on 11/1/10 at 7:15 am
Posted on 11/1/10 at 7:42 am to AlwysATgr
I forwarded your thread to a big, UofM fan friend of mine...whom I have had the same conversation with. This was his response:
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I totally agree. We have talked about the exact same thing on previous occasions. The problem with rich rod is the exact opposite; keep everything BEHIND your defense, dont bend but break at every opportunity.
Posted on 11/1/10 at 7:42 am to AlwysATgr
You really don't have an understanding of Bo.
This was Bo's philosophy.
Strong D - Yes
Strong running game - Yes
playing not to lose - nope.
Playing "first one to 30, then hold on for dear life no matter how ugly or close it gets, wins" -nope.
Bo had teams that went through stretches during a season outscoring opponents by 6-7 TD's a game...and rarely throwing the football. He once said that running the dive wasn't so predictable because they blocked it 5 or 6 different ways. By the time game was finished the d- line and LB's didn't even know it was a dive.
Bo sure as shite couldn't win the Rose Bowl, but his teams played "clean", were well organized, and the best players were always on the field.
Obviously, we aren't going to run the old Michigan I/Power I offense,. That's not what i'm saying. Bo got his teams to play at a high level every week. Les just can't seem to do that. It's a roller coaster based on how good his opponent is. Putting it all together - dominating on offense, defense, and special teams all in the same game? Forget it. Right now LSU is simply incapable of it. Yes, this falls on the doorstep of the head coach.
Les could do himself a favor and try to get his team's performance to be more Bo-like. With the caliber of atheletes LSU has, winning would look like it's supposed to.
This was Bo's philosophy.
quote:. His teams were often machine like in nature.
dominate, pillage, and destroy
Strong D - Yes
Strong running game - Yes
playing not to lose - nope.
Playing "first one to 30, then hold on for dear life no matter how ugly or close it gets, wins" -nope.
Bo had teams that went through stretches during a season outscoring opponents by 6-7 TD's a game...and rarely throwing the football. He once said that running the dive wasn't so predictable because they blocked it 5 or 6 different ways. By the time game was finished the d- line and LB's didn't even know it was a dive.
Bo sure as shite couldn't win the Rose Bowl, but his teams played "clean", were well organized, and the best players were always on the field.
Obviously, we aren't going to run the old Michigan I/Power I offense,. That's not what i'm saying. Bo got his teams to play at a high level every week. Les just can't seem to do that. It's a roller coaster based on how good his opponent is. Putting it all together - dominating on offense, defense, and special teams all in the same game? Forget it. Right now LSU is simply incapable of it. Yes, this falls on the doorstep of the head coach.
Les could do himself a favor and try to get his team's performance to be more Bo-like. With the caliber of atheletes LSU has, winning would look like it's supposed to.
Posted on 11/1/10 at 9:50 am to jonboy
I watched many games with Bo coaching while I lived in MI. Bo believed like Woody Hayes, " three yards and a cloud of dust". Pound the football running with a big RB or FB. We saw this with Miles in 2007 when pounded the ball with Hester over and over again. To do this you must have a powerful OLINE which we have not had since 2007.
Posted on 11/1/10 at 10:00 am to AlwysATgr
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Les is haunted by Schembechler’s shadow
You may have hit on something since Bo liked pounding the ball with RBs and FBs, the QB was not as important as the OLINE and RBs. Maybe that is why he can't recruit a QB.
Posted on 11/1/10 at 10:05 am to Teacher
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ou may have hit on something since Bo liked pounding the ball with RBs and FBs, the QB was not as important as the OLINE and RBs. Maybe that is why he can't recruit a QB.
Where are all Louisiana's great instate QBs? Perhaps hanging out with the Great instate LB'ers?
This post was edited on 11/1/10 at 10:06 am
Posted on 11/1/10 at 10:13 am to AlwysATgr
I think your post shows a lack of understanding of Schembechler's coaching style. I think that the telling comparison between Les and Bo (or any other highly successful college coach), and what makes Les' teams so inconsistent within the context of the game, is discipline and accountability. A head coach can be a manager or a coach, but in either style, he has to be a major hardass in terms of insisting that his players and his assistant coaches and coordinators don't fail for lack of attention to detail, focus, or understanding and delivering what is expected of them. Bo was a major league hardass. Les not so much.
Posted on 11/1/10 at 10:15 am to Hitchcock
To add, Miles has not concentrated on recruiting good OLINE the last few years either. Although with his running mentality he needs a good OLINE.
Posted on 11/1/10 at 11:05 am to Teacher
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To add, Miles has not concentrated on recruiting good OLINE the last few years either. Although with his running mentality he needs a good OLINE.
Look up Chris Faulk & Evan Washington, along with the young guys Starting.
Then check out: La'el Collins, Corey White & Trai Turner - LSU commits
Posted on 11/1/10 at 11:28 am to Hitchcock
Gotta believe that LM goes after OL. AFter all that is what he played and coached, right?????
Posted on 11/1/10 at 1:08 pm to Hitchcock
We all agree LSU should have a better OLINE. I would like to see better Guards, I think we have the OTs. Guards hurt us last year and this year. We are unable to block the other teams DTs.
Posted on 11/1/10 at 1:33 pm to AlwysATgr
Is it just me, or is Schembechler a little overrated. He had a 194-48-5 record at Michigan, but went 5-12 in bowl games over 21 years. Never won a National Championship, only won 5 Big 10 Championships outright (co-champs 8 times) and only won two Rose Bowls.
Not saying he wasn't a good coach, just never thought he was one of "the greats".
Not saying he wasn't a good coach, just never thought he was one of "the greats".
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