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Posted on 9/28/10 at 2:53 am to
Posted by CajunSensation
Bellair Cove
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 9/28/10 at 2:53 am to
Line blocking has nothing to do with not being able to pitch the fricking ball nor reading his options. Try again.
Posted by grif82
Member since Aug 2008
8151 posts
Posted on 9/28/10 at 2:54 am to
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Miles is the HC. Not JJ. If Miles says sit. He will.


I think you missed the point. JWILL was trying to say that Miles is giving him far too much rope and that JJ may actually feel that in spite of his performance that he may still not lose his starting job.
Posted by JW1LL
Beaumont, TX
Member since Sep 2010
317 posts
Posted on 9/28/10 at 2:58 am to
"How do you know what he did or did not do after the game was over or when he returned to his living quarters?"

idk if he did it or not i was just saying what i would do. and yeah it does seem like he is using alot of les' lines.
Posted by Manchurian Tiger
Far East
Member since May 2009
457 posts
Posted on 9/28/10 at 3:02 am to
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I think you missed the point. JWILL was trying to say that Miles is giving him far too much rope and that JJ may actually feel that in spite of his performance that he may still not lose his starting job.

How can you say I missed the point and then say what someone was "trying to say"?

I responded to what was actually said.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
85465 posts
Posted on 9/28/10 at 3:04 am to
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Is this on Jefferson or Miles?

Why is JJ made out to seem bulletproof because Miles keeps putting him in?



It is definitely on Miles, I agree.

I just do not understand why JL was not pulled earlier in 2008 and I will not understand why JJ was not pulled earlier in 2010. Miles loyalty to the QB position is unbelievable, despite his known short leashes at every single other position.
Posted by grif82
Member since Aug 2008
8151 posts
Posted on 9/28/10 at 3:04 am to
Okay, sorry.....maybe you got the point after all
Posted by Manchurian Tiger
Far East
Member since May 2009
457 posts
Posted on 9/28/10 at 3:05 am to
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idk if he did it or not i was just saying what i would do. and yeah it does seem like he is using alot of les' lines.

The guy was really lost on Saturday.

Miles needs to get control of this ship and we need to stop giving him a pass for these guys not developing or making improvements. Instead, we bash JJ and JL in every way possible. That's bs and some folks need to step up and try to put a stop to it.
Posted by JW1LL
Beaumont, TX
Member since Sep 2010
317 posts
Posted on 9/28/10 at 3:08 am to
"Line blocking has nothing to do with not being able to pitch the fricking ball nor reading his options. Try again."

LOL ok buddy, first off, its not an option read that we run..there is no option to hand it off 90% of the time. second, in an option, theres usually a pull blocker that takes the first lb forcing the second lb to make a decision. thats where the qbs decision is made..this isnt the nfl college coaches dont teach u to audible out of it or flip the play the only thing that would be done is a heads up read. but when the ball id snapped and jj runs left or right why is it that a lb is at the rb and two are waiting for jj and he has to either eat it or try to make cuts. there is usually nothing there to work with at all.
Posted by Manchurian Tiger
Far East
Member since May 2009
457 posts
Posted on 9/28/10 at 3:08 am to
Slackster - grif - JW1ll

I hear you guys. I respect your posts and agree with much of them.

I just can't seem to grasp the fact that two talented young men came into this program and 3 years later are not much better than when they arrived (if not worse).

Please tell me that it was their responsibility to develop themselves so that I can backoff of Miles and Crowton that are being paid more than 4M/year total in salary.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
85465 posts
Posted on 9/28/10 at 3:13 am to
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Instead, we bash JJ and JL in every way possible.


The only beef I have with JJ as a fan is his ranting and raving on the sidelines or during the games, and then he ask for patience from the fans as he works on things. It is certainly hypocritical to ask for it from us if he will not extend the favor to his wideouts.

Also, I tend to get frustrated with his answers to the media. I am not looking for him to come out like Tebow and shite, but something like,

"I heard the boos tonight. I would have booed my performance as well. I practice harder than that, and tonight was an embarrassment on my part. I will get back to the drawing board on Sunday/Monday with my WRs and coaches and we will fix this by the time I set foot on the field next Saturday."
Posted by grif82
Member since Aug 2008
8151 posts
Posted on 9/28/10 at 3:21 am to
Miles and Crowton suck balls, IMO


I've never defended them. Yes, I do think they deserve the blame for the recruitment of QBs and their lack of development.


In spite of that, I don't think JJ has the right mechanics (long slow realease, no touch, lack of accuracy) and mental aspects (ie being able to see the open reciever downfield, look off safeties, etc.) to be a good QB at the college level or in the SEC.

In my opinion, Lee's mechanics are superior to JJ's, but its his "gunslinger" mentality and lack of mobility that causes many to be concerned about playing him.


This post was edited on 9/28/10 at 3:23 am
Posted by JW1LL
Beaumont, TX
Member since Sep 2010
317 posts
Posted on 9/28/10 at 3:22 am to
well for one i think jefferson was coached wrong obviously. he reminds me alot of jamarcus but saban didnt deal with the shite. les might give him a slap on the wrist but i honestly think that they need a guy that will chew them out instead of clapping after an int. (ever seen les do that?) anyways if les would literally humble the guy by discipline hed be a star. ive seen his potential and i caught a practice when he was a freshman and the guy really is a talent. just gotta get his mind right.
Posted by Manchurian Tiger
Far East
Member since May 2009
457 posts
Posted on 9/28/10 at 3:22 am to
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The only beef I have with JJ as a fan is his ranting and raving on the sidelines or during the games, and then he ask for patience from the fans as he works on things. It is certainly hypocritical to ask for it from us if he will not extend the favor to his wideouts.

I don't like this either. You always edify your teammates. This is a clear sign that he's losing it - composure. He could be on the verge of spiraling (just like JLee did) and the booing doesn't help.

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Also, I tend to get frustrated with his answers to the media. I am not looking for him to come out like Tebow and shite, but something like,

"I heard the boos tonight. I would have booed my performance as well. I practice harder than that, and tonight was an embarrassment on my part. I will get back to the drawing board on Sunday/Monday with my WRs and coaches and we will fix this by the time I set foot on the field next Saturday."

This young man is probably trying to do all he can to keep his head up. His frustrations over a few drops are because he is off on the other passes so he knows he needs those completions when he hits the targets.

Why does him tearing himself down on national TV is what you'd like to hear? Dude's confidence is probably hanging by a thread. He may have cried when he hit the locker room or made it home. Only people with no idea of what it is to be a competitor would think that this guy is happy with his performance. Get beyond the sound bites. Please.
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
51948 posts
Posted on 9/28/10 at 3:23 am to
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Now let me let YOU in on something. Receivers were running wide open last Saturday. Let me let you in on something else. When the pass doesn't even reach the players feet on throw and the one before that was over the receivers head it means your QB is highly inaccurate... which means in laymans terms he sucks.


WTF you are talking about? It was Crowton's fault that his pass to a WR hit the ground some yards shy of the receiver's feet and it was the OL's fault that a certain TD pass to a WR with wide seperation almost turned into an INT thanks to the pass being badly underthrown.



Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
51948 posts
Posted on 9/28/10 at 3:25 am to
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The only beef I have with JJ as a fan is his ranting and raving on the sidelines or during the games, and then he ask for patience from the fans as he works on things. It is certainly hypocritical to ask for it from us if he will not extend the favor to his wideouts.


Compound this with the fact that he says that he thinks his performance wasn't that bad and you paint a picture of delusion where JJ is blaming everyone but him.

Pull his arse.
Posted by TheBob
Metairie
Member since Jun 2005
16935 posts
Posted on 9/28/10 at 3:25 am to
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its not an option read that we run..there is no option to hand it off 90% of the time. second, in an option, theres usually a pull blocker that takes the first lb forcing the second lb to make a decision. thats where the qbs decision is made..


Posted by Manchurian Tiger
Far East
Member since May 2009
457 posts
Posted on 9/28/10 at 3:25 am to
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In spite of that, I don't think JJ has the right mechanics (long slow realease, no touch, lack of accuracy) and mental aspects (ie being able to see the open reciever downfield, look off safeties, etc.) to be a good QB at the college level or in the SEC.

In my opinion, Lee's mechanics are superior to JJ's, but its his "gunslinger" mentality and lack of mobility that causes many to be concerned about playing him.

You said that they should be developed. Not come with everything already perfect, right?

You mention the deficiencies. Thats where development comes into play. All may not be fixed, but they should be improved in other areas to minimize the effects of those that could not be greatly improved. (i.e. JLee will not be faster than he is, but they can help him in another area that minimizes the effects of his lack of speed.)
Posted by JW1LL
Beaumont, TX
Member since Sep 2010
317 posts
Posted on 9/28/10 at 3:34 am to
true that man but if is not letting his teammates know hes got their back its not gonna be pretty. idk he may have already sat with them but i would face my demons and take the blame before the shite hits the fan. im sure he is trying but we dont see what the players see. its gonna have to take something dramatic to get em to believe and good performances and taking the blame are a few. another is i know hes mad but the one that hit by shepards feet idc what u say it was bad but shep could hzve attacked the ball instead of waiting around 4 it. he clearly got pissed after and showed his frustration to everyone. should be clapping or saying thats ok, next time ill put it in your hands. etc etc
Posted by JW1LL
Beaumont, TX
Member since Sep 2010
317 posts
Posted on 9/28/10 at 3:41 am to
i figured itd confuse you. a "read option" is what vince young ran. our option is a lead option speed option whatever u wanna call it. but the only read you can make on an option is to tell your pull blocker to pick up, you cant just see it and audible out or kill it, it doesnt work that way in college.
This post was edited on 9/28/10 at 3:44 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
262892 posts
Posted on 9/28/10 at 3:44 am to
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I just can't seem to grasp the fact that two talented young men came into this program and 3 years later are not much better than when they arrived (if not worse).

Please tell me that it was their responsibility to develop themselves so that I can backoff of Miles and Crowton that are being paid more than 4M/year total in salary.


Its definitely a developmental problem, which is why booing JJ or Lee sickens me. The problem is obvious, and both QB's are having to overcome attrocious coaching and zero development. In fact, both may be worse than when they came in.
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