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Kellen Moore v. JJ v. Tyrod Taylor
Posted on 9/7/10 at 9:53 am
Posted on 9/7/10 at 9:53 am
I watched the game intensely and tried to find some comparisons for JJ.
First I think Moore throws a beautiful spiral on every pass. Whether it is accurate or a good decision will be discussed later, but it is certainly a nice pass. JJ would come in 2nd in this category, with TT in 3rd. I would give them grades of A, B-, C-.
Edit: For those below, I am grading the players in relation to LSU. I am not saying that KM would be a better fit at VaTech or JJ is better for Boise. I am talking about how their abilities would translate at LSU.
Running ability goes to Taylor, and it isn't close. Although JJ and KM are more pocket passers, so the comparison is mostly moot, I wanted to have a category that TT would be 1st in, so here it is. It would be TT, JJ, then KM.
A, B-, F
Decision making ability goes to JJ. He may not make the decision fast enough at times, but he will go out of his way to make sure he does not lose the game. He makes some interesting decisions at times, but he tends to throw to open receivers only. Moore has to much confidence in his arm, IMHO, because he often tried to fit the ball into a tight window that required amazing catches. Often times, it was double or triple coverage. If people think JJ has a run-first mentality, watch TT play. There were times that the second his back foot planted, he was taking off regardless of the pressure. And these were pass plays, not draws, as evident by the routes the recievers were running. Grades are as follows.
B+, B-, C
If I need a QB with 2 minutes to go and I am down by a TD, I want Moore because of his track record and aggressive style. If I want to run a spread option, I take TT. My point is that JJ is a jack of all trades, but a master of none. However, with the ability that he is surrounded with on the offence this year, I do not think he needs to be a master of any trade. If he can exist between the moment it takes to hand the ball off to our tailbacks and get the ball to our WRs in open space, LSU will be fine. This isn't a team that needs someone like Brees at QB. Someone more like Joe Flacco can lead this team to many wins this year.
First I think Moore throws a beautiful spiral on every pass. Whether it is accurate or a good decision will be discussed later, but it is certainly a nice pass. JJ would come in 2nd in this category, with TT in 3rd. I would give them grades of A, B-, C-.
Edit: For those below, I am grading the players in relation to LSU. I am not saying that KM would be a better fit at VaTech or JJ is better for Boise. I am talking about how their abilities would translate at LSU.
Running ability goes to Taylor, and it isn't close. Although JJ and KM are more pocket passers, so the comparison is mostly moot, I wanted to have a category that TT would be 1st in, so here it is. It would be TT, JJ, then KM.
A, B-, F
Decision making ability goes to JJ. He may not make the decision fast enough at times, but he will go out of his way to make sure he does not lose the game. He makes some interesting decisions at times, but he tends to throw to open receivers only. Moore has to much confidence in his arm, IMHO, because he often tried to fit the ball into a tight window that required amazing catches. Often times, it was double or triple coverage. If people think JJ has a run-first mentality, watch TT play. There were times that the second his back foot planted, he was taking off regardless of the pressure. And these were pass plays, not draws, as evident by the routes the recievers were running. Grades are as follows.
B+, B-, C
If I need a QB with 2 minutes to go and I am down by a TD, I want Moore because of his track record and aggressive style. If I want to run a spread option, I take TT. My point is that JJ is a jack of all trades, but a master of none. However, with the ability that he is surrounded with on the offence this year, I do not think he needs to be a master of any trade. If he can exist between the moment it takes to hand the ball off to our tailbacks and get the ball to our WRs in open space, LSU will be fine. This isn't a team that needs someone like Brees at QB. Someone more like Joe Flacco can lead this team to many wins this year.
This post was edited on 9/7/10 at 10:06 am
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Posted on 9/7/10 at 9:55 am to slackster
Jefferson and TT hold the ball too damn long, while Moore gets rid of the ball quick. Makes him much better.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 9:58 am to HuRRiCaNe MiLeS
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Decision making ability goes to JJ
Are you kidding. JJ doesn't really make decisions. He takes sacks.
Decision making goes to Moore. But I like Taylor because he throws the deep ball and depends on his big WR's to make plays downfield.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 9:58 am to slackster
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Decision making ability goes to JJ
KM in 2009 - 39 TDs, 3 INTs. I suspect your grading system is flawed.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 9:59 am to HuRRiCaNe MiLeS
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Moore
I wathced alot of Boise St's games last year, and I thought he may be one of the best pocket QBs in the NCAA. Then last night came along, and against a marginable defence, he made some questionable decisions. Maybe the hype got to him, becaust a year ago he made all the right throws.
The KM that we saw on the last drive was what I saw last year.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:00 am to ccomeaux
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KM in 2009 - 39 TDs, 3 INTs. I suspect your grading system is flawed.
I am going off of game 1 through this year. Read my post above for my take on last season v. this season for KM.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:01 am to HuRRiCaNe MiLeS
Decision making to JJ!!!!
You've never watched an LSU game have you?
You've never watched an LSU game have you?
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:02 am to ItTakesAThief
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Are you kidding. JJ doesn't really make decisions.
Not true.
If you look through my post history, I am super critical of JJ and think that JL needs to get a few snaps, even if he isn't the starter, in case the season does not turn out well for JJ.
However, JJ does make decisions. He will almost always make the conservative decision. Granted, that is not fun to watch at all, but it is what is best for this talent-laden team. He does not need to be a hero this year. He simply needs to live to fight another day. If he can be a prototypical "game-manager", LSU will be fine.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:19 am to slackster
JJ -Decision making!!
That's the funniest shite ever posted on this site!!!
That's the funniest shite ever posted on this site!!!
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:23 am to EastForkTiger
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JJ -Decision making!!
That's the funniest shite ever posted on this site!!!
True or false, JJ will 99% of the time make the conservative decision?
True or false, LSU needs JJ to be risky to be successful?
I say true, then false. As far as LSU is concerned, I would rather see JJ panic and run if the 1st option is covered than force the pass ala Kellen Moore.
Never said JJ was All-World at decision making, but he is well-suited to be the QB at LSU.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:45 am to slackster
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He makes some interesting decisions at times, but he tends to throw to open receivers only. Moore has to much confidence in his arm, IMHO, because he often tried to fit the ball into a tight window that required amazing catches.
If he is successful then how is it a poor decision? Didn't he throw thirty-nine TDs with only three interceptions.
He knows the abilities of his receivers and takes advantage of it.
Poor decisions are intensionaly grounding the ball or taking a sack instead of throwing it away.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:47 am to slackster
Bottom line do you think we would win more games with Moore, Taylor, or Jefferson???
just a question
just a question
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:53 am to LSU316
I think JJ and Moore would give us different, but equal opportunities for wins. Moore would throw more TDs, but would be accompanied by more INTs. Moore would be more exciting to watch, but excitement does not neccessarily generate wins. I think JJ will be just as successful this year with a steady, conservative approach.
I think Taylor would be a nightmare for us at QB. He would be the feature guy and take away plays from all of our talent. He would put up good numbers, but to the chagrin of the rest of the team.
I think Taylor would be a nightmare for us at QB. He would be the feature guy and take away plays from all of our talent. He would put up good numbers, but to the chagrin of the rest of the team.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:56 am to slackster
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Moore would throw more TDs, but would be accompanied by more INTs.
Again, flawed. You can't be serious with this BS can you ?
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:57 am to slackster
OK now I pose this question to you would Boise St or VA Tech take JJ in a straight up trade for either of their quarterbacks? Would we be game for this trade??
I can tell you my oppinion the answer to the first question would be hell no from both schools. The answer to the second question is I would take Moore at the drop of a hat no questions asked. Maybe he might throw a few more INT's but with the skill we have on defense he would be OK. Plus at absolutely no point in his career has JJ shown the ability to drive down the field like Moore did in the last drive last night. I think Taylor would be a toss up but I would entertain the offer for sure.
I can tell you my oppinion the answer to the first question would be hell no from both schools. The answer to the second question is I would take Moore at the drop of a hat no questions asked. Maybe he might throw a few more INT's but with the skill we have on defense he would be OK. Plus at absolutely no point in his career has JJ shown the ability to drive down the field like Moore did in the last drive last night. I think Taylor would be a toss up but I would entertain the offer for sure.
This post was edited on 9/7/10 at 10:58 am
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:57 am to slackster
at JJ being a better decision maker than Moore. Moore is the damn Heisman front-runner IMO. LSU would easily go undefeated (maybe a close game to Bama) and win the National Championship with Moore at QB.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:58 am to slackster
this thread will deliver.... 
Posted on 9/7/10 at 10:58 am to slackster
KM is closer to Dew Brees than he is JJ.
Let it go dude.
Let it go dude.
Posted on 9/7/10 at 11:01 am to slackster
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I think JJ and Moore would give us different, but equal opportunities for wins
really?
Posted on 9/7/10 at 11:02 am to LSU316
I think neither school would trade bc of the personnel issue. JJ xannot do what VaTexh needs Taylor to do. JJ would not be.a compliment to Boise's offense either. However, at LSU, I think he works. We have had big time QBs before (JR), and no NCs. JJ is more in the mold of Mauck and Flynn, which historically have been succesful at the highest level for LSU.
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