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Im at arties in grand isle right now
Posted on 5/22/10 at 10:12 pm
Posted on 5/22/10 at 10:12 pm
The coonasses are pissed. Ive never seen tgis place crazier
eta: all fishing closed north to golden meadow
eta: all fishing closed north to golden meadow
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Posted on 5/23/10 at 11:01 am to Cosmo
We were discussing last night wondering about how high the general anger/disgust/frustration level must be getting down there.
Posted on 5/23/10 at 11:03 am to eye65
Its starting to build, but overall people still generally support BP.
Posted on 5/23/10 at 11:08 am to Mudminnow
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people still generally support BP.
Because they employ so many people? I have no idea how large their presence is vs. other oil companies.
Posted on 5/23/10 at 11:16 am to eye65
Fishing industry and oil companies go hand in hand.
Fishing is down go work offshore and many have family members that work in the oil industry.
However, all the fisherman have a deep appreciation for the wetlands and the waters they fish. Its something they grew up doing because their fathers and grandfathers and great grandfathers fished for a living. BP is taking that away and there is some resentment building. Plus the deceit campaign BP has been using is rubbing everyone the wrong way.
Fishing is down go work offshore and many have family members that work in the oil industry.
However, all the fisherman have a deep appreciation for the wetlands and the waters they fish. Its something they grew up doing because their fathers and grandfathers and great grandfathers fished for a living. BP is taking that away and there is some resentment building. Plus the deceit campaign BP has been using is rubbing everyone the wrong way.
Posted on 5/23/10 at 11:19 am to eye65
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Because they employ so many people? I have no idea how large their presence is vs. other oil companies.
because deepwater exploration sparked an enormous economic boom in lower lafourche parish w/ the explosion of the port of fourchon.
if you grew up there and are about my age (32) you remember how bad it was when the price of oil fell hard, and see how things rebounded strongly when deepwater started up.
plenty of people making a really good living working offshore for operators and 3rd party companies, working on boats, working docks, and working in shops.
i don't think anyone wants to excuse what's going on, and is genuinely furious over what has happened, but you're always aware of what your paycheck is tied to.
Posted on 5/23/10 at 11:23 am to Mudminnow
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work offshore and many have family members that work in the oil industry
i think that adds a personal touch to it as well. everyone knows people that work in oil & gas that love the wetlands, and are serious about doing the right thing. it's just hard to imagine any of those people being willfully negligent such that this would happen.
Posted on 5/23/10 at 11:26 am to Mudminnow
I'll give BP credit, so far they are treating the locals right. They are at the Grand Isle community center and if you bring in your tax return to prove your income last year they will cut you a check on the spot with more to come if this thing drags out. Problem is the fisherman report very little of their income to the IRS but I guess that is their fault.
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Posted on 5/23/10 at 11:44 am to oilfieldtiger
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it's just hard to imagine any of those people being willfully negligent such that this would happen.
I thought it was the BP execs that were intentionally negligent about the potential problems that the rig was experiencing? Can you elaborate please?
As far as BP treating the locals fairly, I don't see that at all. Maybe paying them off will help, but their continued use of a toxic dispersant, when there are other available safer and more effective alternatives, is a direct slap in the face to the locals everywhere along the gulf coast.
Posted on 5/23/10 at 12:16 pm to MC123
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Can you elaborate please?
first, the guys on location have a more vested interst in making sure the BOP is functioning properly than anyone, since their personal safety is at stake. it has been said there were problems w/ the BOP; however, i would strongly caution that unless you know the exact nature of what's being discussed at a deep technical level (as the rig management team would) you really can't make a call about negligence. obviously, the root cause analysis investigation will reveal the explicit sequence of events, and hopefully we can all learn from what happened.
my greater point is that everyone knows someone that's either working offshore or working in a support role on the beach, and can't imagine that person intentionally putting other people's life in danger, or doing something willfully harmful to the environment.
Posted on 5/23/10 at 12:26 pm to oilfieldtiger
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my greater point is that everyone knows someone that's either working offshore or working in a support role on the beach, and can't imagine that person intentionally putting other people's life in danger, or doing something willfully harmful to the environment.
did you see the special on 60 minutes last weekend? Maybe it was media spin, I am not sure, but intentional negligence specifically by BP execs is what that segment led me to believe ultimately caused the accident. They claimed BP was cutting corners/expediting the process in the face of clear warning signs. Obviously, you would be a better judge, given your experience, than me. It is still up on the cbs website. I would love to know your opinion of that segment.
Posted on 5/23/10 at 12:29 pm to MC123
Posted on 5/23/10 at 12:57 pm to oilfieldtiger
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the root cause analysis investigation will reveal the explicit sequence of events, and hopefully we can all learn from what happened
This has been a nightmare to me. I calculate, trying to figure an epic blowout of this proportion, based on only projected flow rates, tubular sizes,possible failures,etc. This really hit hard for me, as we lost a productive young member of our community, and several members of the industry I work in. The impact of this catostrophic failure will be felt for years to come.
Posted on 5/23/10 at 1:15 pm to Cosmo
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Problem is the fisherman report very little of their income to the IRS but I guess that is their fault.
an issue nobody is talking about
Posted on 5/23/10 at 1:18 pm to Tigerpaw123
which leaves the fisherman and their families in even worse shape. 
Posted on 5/23/10 at 1:47 pm to MC123
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did you see the special on 60 minutes last weekend? Maybe it was media spin, I am not sure, but intentional negligence specifically by BP execs is what that segment led me to believe ultimately caused the accident. They claimed BP was cutting corners/expediting the process in the face of clear warning signs. Obviously, you would be a better judge, given your experience, than me. It is still up on the cbs website. I would love to know your opinion of that segment.
yes, and my thoughts are in the thread that was linked to above.
i would say that at this point, all we have are theories, and i would regard anyone that says they know w/ 100% certainty what happened w/ a great deal of skepticism -- which was my man beef w/ the UC-Berkely professor featured in the 60 minutes piece. i'm certain that guy has more engineering skill than me, but his attitude that he knew exactly what the root cause of this incident was struck me as grossly misplaced.
i didn't doubt the truth of what the ET had to say, but i didn't particularly agree w/ the leaps of logic that were made in the piece.
Posted on 5/23/10 at 1:59 pm to oilfieldtiger
The legal system will work it all out 
Posted on 5/23/10 at 2:07 pm to Mudminnow
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The legal system will work it all out
i sincerely hope so. i hope the new regulations that come from this are fact-based and make sense. and like it or now, offshore oil & gas -- and deepwater activity specifically -- is a huge part of the louisiana economy now, so just saying "we need to shut this down forever" would seem to be too punitive as well.
my hope is there can be a balance between sensible regulation and drilling activity such that nothing like this could happen again.
Posted on 5/23/10 at 2:12 pm to oilfieldtiger
dont worry BP says they can handle a spill 60 times larger than this one.
Posted on 5/23/10 at 2:28 pm to oilfieldtiger
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i didn't doubt the truth of what the ET had to say, but i didn't particularly agree w/ the leaps of logic that were made in the piece.
Typical media=a little bit of truth + a whole lot of speculation (usually portrayed as truth).
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i hope the new regulations that come from this are fact-based and make sense.
this might be a dumb question, so forgive my ignorance, would the acoustic switches that are required in other countries have made any difference in this situation?
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