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Posted on 5/5/10 at 9:29 am to
Posted by TexasTiger08
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 5/5/10 at 9:29 am to
Not to get political. But...

athletes do not need to get involved on this sort of level. Is there seriously not one person within the Suns entire organization that defends the law? If not, then they suck at electing state officials. If so, then the Suns shouldn't go forth with this move.

Also, since when is it a such a bad idea to get illegals out of the country. I've lived near the border long enough...and when the drug issues cause crime, and other illegals suck jobs away from people who are citizens, and when illegals drain the economy by living off of others taxes...it bugs me.
Posted by MStreetTiger
Dallas
Member since Dec 2007
12403 posts
Posted on 5/5/10 at 9:32 am to
quote:

athletes do not need to get involved on this sort of level


Do you feel this about other professions? Why?
Posted by Baloo
Formerly MDGeaux
Member since Sep 2003
49645 posts
Posted on 5/5/10 at 9:40 am to
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athletes do not need to get involved on this sort of level
Honestly, I would prefer they do. Our current generation of athletes stand for nothing but moving product and selling their brand. Prior generations may not have had every athlete speaking out, but it was far more common. I prefer when people use the stage they are given to promote a cause they believe in. I'd far prefer all citizens be more engaged in politics and social issues, regardless of what side of the issue they come down on.

Would you condemn a player who, say, made a public gesture in support of our armed forces for "being political"?
Posted by Sophandros
Victoria Concordia Crescit
Member since Feb 2005
45218 posts
Posted on 5/5/10 at 10:03 am to
quote:

Is there seriously not one person within the Suns entire organization that defends the law? If not, then they suck at electing state officials. If so, then the Suns shouldn't go forth with this move.


The owner likes the intent of the law, but not the wording and the unintended consequences of it, which is why the team is showing solidarity with the Hispanic citizens and legal residents of AZ who stand to face increased harassment from this law.



I think that the federal and state governments, as well as many private businesses, have both failed to enforce regulations and enabled illegal immigration for decades. I'm happy that Arizona is taking a stand, and passing this legislation, though poorly written, is a great first step. It's bringing the problem to the forefront, and perhaps we'll finally get this under control.

What I would propose would be for all states to have a field on their drivers' license and state ID that shows nation of citizenship (many states do not require citizenship for a license or ID). If police pull you over, they can see whether or not you're an American citizen. If you are not, then they can ask for your papers. If you don't have them, you go to jail and/or back to your country of origin.

But the main problem, and the people who have escaped criticism, are those who employ illegal immigrants. Without jobs, these people would not be here. What the feds and states need to do is levy severe penalties against those who are found to employ illegal immigrants. That would be a deterrent to hiring illegals, which would mean that fewer of them come over here.

Another item that I would bring up in the debate over illegal immigrants is related to this other issue, and that is working more closely with our neighbors to the south of us to help improve their economies there, which would help keep their people there. That's a lot more tricky and long term, however. I think that an ID system like I mentioned above and strict enforcement of workplace documentation would be excellent first steps in a national immigration plan.
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