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re: QB Play: NOT the Major Problem w/the Offense (statistical support)
Posted on 4/20/10 at 9:13 pm to dinosaur
Posted on 4/20/10 at 9:13 pm to dinosaur
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Jefferson is the most inaccurate passer I can recall at LSU since Marcus Randall.
I strongly disagree with this. I think accuracy is his strong suit. His wind-up motion and decisions in the pocket are his weak suit.
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Posted on 4/20/10 at 9:13 pm to Tigerdandy
quote:you can't use that argument! he already used that one, so you need to come up with something new.
And you, like all the rest of the JJ bashers, see what you want to see.
Posted on 4/20/10 at 9:13 pm to OBUDan
I just do not understand how anyone could possibly want Lee to start over Jefferson. Except for maybe the very deep ball...there isn't one area Lee is better.
Posted on 4/20/10 at 9:15 pm to OBUDan
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but the fact is, no QB is going to turn a 3,000 yd. rushing attack into a 1,500 yard rushing attack.
What was the difference between 08 and 09.
We had the same running backs and many of the same in the OL
Posted on 4/20/10 at 9:15 pm to Doc Fenton
quote:like in bridge?
his weak suit
quote:I was particularly proud of that post
to intangibles
seriously, though, intangibles are very underrated IMO. I think intangibles are the most important suit of a player when statistics don't back me up. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, LSU hasn't been the same since our intangibles coach went to Bama to join Saban.
Posted on 4/20/10 at 9:16 pm to Doc Fenton
Ok so we disagree. If he is that accurate, why can't he throw more of the deep and medium range passes? He is simply erratic. Yes his release is too slow and yes he sometimes doesn't plant well but still, he misses too many throws he needs to make.
By the way, I think his motion is part of the reason for his lack of accuracy.
By the way, I think his motion is part of the reason for his lack of accuracy.
This post was edited on 4/20/10 at 9:18 pm
Posted on 4/20/10 at 9:16 pm to roygu
quote:
What was the difference between 08 and 09.
Johnson & Johnson
Posted on 4/20/10 at 9:18 pm to Spirit of Dunson
quote:
like in bridge?
Exactly like bridge. There is virtually no difference.
quote:
I was particularly proud of that post
It was a good one, I admit.
Posted on 4/20/10 at 9:18 pm to Choctaw
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I just do not understand how anyone could possibly want Lee to start over Jefferson. Except for maybe the very deep ball...there isn't one area Lee is better.
Expect for maybe escaping the pocket.... there isn't one area JJ is better.
Just saying, it works both ways dude.
This post was edited on 4/20/10 at 9:19 pm
Posted on 4/20/10 at 9:18 pm to Doc Fenton
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I think accuracy is his strong suit. His wind-up motion and decisions in the pocket are his weak suit.
It's hard to determine. I agree with your assessment of his throwing motion and decisions, but Jefferson has seen little more than high-percentage pass plays his entire career. I don't see how we can get an accurate feel for his true ability in this regard: he has been sheltered for quite some time now.
Posted on 4/20/10 at 9:19 pm to dinosaur
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If he is that accurate, why can't he throw more of the deep and medium range passes?
Because he telegraphs where he's going to throw the ball before he releases it. That's why he's always got such a low margin for error on his throws--the DBs have already read his throw and are all over the receiver by the time the ball arrives.
Lee has the opposite problem. He has a quick release and generally makes good decisions on where to throw the ball, but just gets nervous and has his throws sail all over the fricking place.
Posted on 4/20/10 at 9:22 pm to Choctaw
quote:
stats are only silly when you disagree with them.
The JJ and Miles bashers are never shy about using their stats, but now the same goofballs want to call stats silly.
Hypocrites, all of them.
Posted on 4/20/10 at 9:22 pm to Doc Fenton
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His wind-up motion and decisions in the pocket are his weak suit.
I can agree with that 100%.
He has no mental clock.
Posted on 4/20/10 at 9:23 pm to chilge1
quote:
Johnson & Johnson
Exactly.
Posted on 4/20/10 at 9:24 pm to TIGRLEE
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Expect for maybe escaping the pocket.... there isn't one area JJ is better.
except accuracy, yardage, touchdowns, not throwing interceptions....yea, except for those.
Posted on 4/20/10 at 9:26 pm to chilge1
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I don't see how we can get an accurate feel for his true ability in this regard: he has been sheltered for quite some time now.
More than that, the entire offense was poorly coordinated. People blame Josh & T-Bob. I don't. Black and Barksdale sucked too. The WRs ran horrible routes, and never helped their QB when he was under pressure. The TE ran poor routes. It was a complete collapse of coaching competence. It's hard to judge any player on offense from what happened in 2009.
Posted on 4/20/10 at 9:26 pm to Doc Fenton
You know, you might be right but I am referring to the fact that he so often misses open people by huge margins. Either he is not terribly accurate or someone doesn't know where the receiver is supposed to be (either the QB or the receiver). Telegraphing his intention does not account for the other team putting 9 men on the line and daring him to complete a pass, and he just can't seem to respond.
Ok, I agree with overall poor coaching, too.
Ok, I agree with overall poor coaching, too.
This post was edited on 4/20/10 at 9:27 pm
Posted on 4/20/10 at 9:26 pm to Doc Fenton
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Because he telegraphs where he's going to throw the ball before he releases it.
he's up and down in this regard. sometimes he does a pretty good job. other times:
Posted on 4/20/10 at 9:27 pm to OBUDan
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Honestly the point of the thread isn't even really JJ. It's the pathetic rushing attack from last season.
and this is where the line gets drawn in this debate.
Anything to take the attention away from JJ.
Not his fault he is inaccurate.
Not his fault he pouts.
Not his fault he gets sacked after ample time in the pocket.
Not his fault he looks lost half the time.
Not his fault he looked like shite in his JR season spring game (even though lack of running game didnt apply)
Its the coaches, olines, rbs, recievers, and his mom and dads fault for not having him a yr sooner b/c damnit he is only 19.
The luxuary of being able to blame everything besides JJ is coming to end real soon.
This post was edited on 4/20/10 at 9:28 pm
Posted on 4/20/10 at 9:31 pm to dinosaur
quote:
You know, you might be right but I am referring to the fact that he so often misses open people by huge margins.
Every QB does this, even in the pros. It just gets remembered a lot more easily when you're frustrated with the offense.
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