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Golf, the great game of honor...

Posted on 4/18/10 at 5:25 pm
Posted by medtiger
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Posted on 4/18/10 at 5:25 pm
For those who didn't see it, Brian Davis was in a hazard playing his 3rd shot in a playoff with Jim Furyk. On his backswing, his club struck a loose impediment in the hazard. No one saw it but him, and he called the penalty on himself. He likely would have lost anyway, but this guaranteed him 2nd place and a loss of several hundred thousand dollars. It's refreshing to see a game of honor still exists in this day and age.
Posted by wish i was tebow
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Posted on 4/18/10 at 5:27 pm to
i was just about to post that. Good for him i think he won some fans and earned a lot of respect from the other tour players. he didnt have to say anything but did the honorable thing
Posted by LSUsbetterthanyou
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Posted on 4/18/10 at 5:28 pm to
I really thought it did not matter as long it was during his actual swing and not a practice swing. Obviously, he hit several loose impediments as he made contact with the ball, so the rule seperates his backswing and downswing??
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Posted on 4/18/10 at 5:29 pm to
if you ain't cheatin, you ain't tryin
Posted by Sophandros
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Posted on 4/18/10 at 5:37 pm to
To play the ultra cynical devil's advocate here, he didn't know if anyone could have seen it, so if he didn't call the penalty on himself and someone saw it, he could have been DQed...
This post was edited on 4/18/10 at 5:38 pm
Posted by BBATiger
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Posted on 4/18/10 at 5:40 pm to
Golf has some stupid rules.
Posted by medtiger
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 4/18/10 at 5:40 pm to
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so the rule seperates his backswing and downswing??


I don't think so. I think if he would have hit the loose impediment on the down swing before he made contact with the ball, it would have been a penalty as well. I just tried to look on the USGA website, but couldn't find a clear answer. All the rule states is that contact can't be made with a loose impediment in a hazard. If that had been a branch from a growing object, there would have been no penalty.

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Note: At any time, including at address or in the backward movement for the stroke, the player may touch, with a club or otherwise, any obstruction, any construction declared by the Committee to be an integral part of the course or any grass, bush, tree or other growing thing.
Posted by TT9
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Posted on 4/18/10 at 5:40 pm to
Great man...Golf is a game of honor...
Posted by COTiger
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Posted on 4/18/10 at 5:41 pm to
Furyk was pretty sure to make par if Davis didn't call the penalty on himelf. If he didn't call the penalty he would have had to make that long putt for a 4. Since they were in sudden death the worst Davis could do was 2nd place money.
Posted by medtiger
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Posted on 4/18/10 at 5:41 pm to
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if he didn't call the penalty on himself and someone saw it, he could have been DQed...


Nope, he would have just been DQed from the playoff which would have given him 2nd place anyway. He didn't putt out on the playoff hole as it was.
Posted by medtiger
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 4/18/10 at 5:42 pm to
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Golf has some stupid rules.


Irrelevant to this thread. Football has some stupid rules too, but players don't call any of them on themselves.
Posted by Sophandros
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Posted on 4/18/10 at 5:44 pm to
Which means that what he didn't wasn't any more "honorable" than recording the correct score on his scorecard.

I get what you're saying; it's just that the cynical part of me is saying that it's a damned shame that we feel the need to praise someone because he followed the rules and did what he should have done anyway.
Posted by medtiger
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 4/18/10 at 5:48 pm to
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it's a damned shame that we feel the need to praise someone because he followed the rules and did what he should have done anyway.


Sure by golf standards, he did what he was supposed to do. But by sports standards, this is unheard of. If this is the way you feel, why don't you call out every football player that tries to get away with holding, or every baseball player that tries to say he caught a ball he really trapped?
Posted by BBATiger
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Posted on 4/18/10 at 5:49 pm to
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Irrelevant to this thread


The fact that the title has the words "great game" in it makes it relavent. I am a golfer and LOVE the game. But they let a bunch of drunk snobs from England write rules that no longer make sense.

I'm sure the NFL thought the goalposts were just fine IN the endzone until they realized how stupid it was.

Any game that punishes a player for kneeling on a towel to keep his pants from getting wet (Remember the dorks that called Stadler out) should probably re-visit it's outdated rules. Screw computers....let's make the players keep score. I think the NBA should have let Chris Washburn keep score when he played.
Posted by Sophandros
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Posted on 4/18/10 at 5:55 pm to
Golf is self-regulated.

BTW, I've seen tennis players say that a ball was in or out when it doesn't benefit them.

But in football or baseball, the player can't make the official change his mind, so your argument is invalid.

And my point stands: The dude did what he was supposed to do. Why do you feel that it worthy of praise?

If I go out with the guys, should I be praised if I don't try to hook up with some random chick, even if she's throwing at me? I'm engaged, so hooking up with random women in bars would be the wrong thing to do, and not doing so would be the correct thing to do. So are you going to start a thread about how awesome I am and how I've gained a lot of fans for not cheating on my future wife?
Posted by medtiger
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 4/18/10 at 5:58 pm to
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Screw computers....let's make the players keep score.


Someone still has to enter the numbers into the computer.

I agree some rules are stupid, but that's not what I was making the thread about.
Posted by medtiger
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 4/18/10 at 6:04 pm to
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But in football or baseball, the player can't make the official change his mind, so your argument is invalid.


bullshite. If a player trapped a fly ball, and walked up to the ump and said, "yep, I trapped it," the umpire would change the call.

If a football player dropped a pass that was ruled a catch, and he admitted it to the ref, the ref would change the call.

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BTW, I've seen tennis players say that a ball was in or out when it doesn't benefit them.


Show me proof. I've never seen it in a professional tourney. They have replay now, so it doesn't matter, but I'd like to see evidence of this.

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The dude did what he was supposed to do. Why do you feel that it worthy of praise?


I don't mean to praise him, just point out that he did the right thing when he probably could have gotten away without doing it. I don't think you'd be worthy of praise for not cheating on your SO, but I will say that I'm glad you did the right thing because alot of people in your situation wouldn't have. That's all I'm saying about Brian Davis. The in the OP was to the game of golf and its traditions.
Posted by Sophandros
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Posted on 4/18/10 at 6:12 pm to
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bullshite. If a player trapped a fly ball, and walked up to the ump and said, "yep, I trapped it," the umpire would change the call.

If a football player dropped a pass that was ruled a catch, and he admitted it to the ref, the ref would change the call.


You don't know that. Plus, players in those sports are coached to act as if they caught it, etc. If they were to "do the honest thing", they would lose their job and in certain cities, their house would be vandalized.

You can't compare a team sport that is regulated by officials to an individual sport regulated by the participants.

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Show me proof. I've never seen it in a professional tourney. They have replay now, so it doesn't matter, but I'd like to see evidence of this.


I remember several years ago, prior to replay, seeing players give a let when they saw that the wrong call was made. I don't have the time or energy to search for this on youtube, but it's happened.

Furthermore, the point is that it's a horrible indictment of society that you feel the need to praise someone for following the rules.

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The in the OP was to the game of golf and its traditions.


So you worship rules? j/k

Valid point, and I agree. I do like the fact that we have a professional sport that can be self regulated and that participants don't take advantage. That's very refreshing, especially when we examine how self regulation has failed in so many other areas of life.
Posted by BBATiger
Member since Jun 2005
16645 posts
Posted on 4/18/10 at 6:21 pm to
A golfer walks up to the green and marks his ball (which is probably scuffed). He tosses it to his caddie who is holding a gigantic towel. The caddie wipes the ball, and tosses it back.

I'd be willing to bet that many times the caddy tosses back a new, unmarked ball to putt, then stuffs the towel (with the old ball in it) in the bag.

The playing partner doesn't care, because he is doing it to. If you can get away with it....you will do it. Ask Tiger.
Posted by lsusportsman2
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 4/18/10 at 6:24 pm to
I respected him for that. Makes me feel like I wanted him to win. He was pretty cool.
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