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NOTICE: Beware of "seminar-LSU Recruiting Fans" - seminar-posters
Posted on 4/17/10 at 2:42 am
Posted on 4/17/10 at 2:42 am
"seminar-LSU Recruiting Fan" or "seminar-poster" is my spoof of the term:
"A seminar caller is someone who mainly telephones conservative radio talk shows for the purpose of astroturfing, which is the mass promotion of a particular product, service, or opposing political point of view as if it were genuinely spontaneous, or grassroots.
Many seminar callers try to portray themselves as regular people, claim to agree with the host's point of view, then begin to read a contrary opinion from an agenda or list of talking points widely circulated by a group or organization who oppose the views of the host.[1]
Seminar callers get their name from the seminars they attend to learn how to most effectively get their message on the air. However, faxes, e-mails and newsletters are more common modes of disseminating astroturf messages to seminar callers.
Before the 2004 U.S. presidential election, seminar callers began to tell more elaborate stories to establish credibility, behaving as if they were actors playing the role of someone with beliefs opposite of their own, in an attempt to erode the opposing candidate's "base" of political support.
The term "seminar caller" was most likely coined by conservative talk radio host Rush Limbaugh[2], but is in wide use among talk show hosts and audiences."
"Astroturfing is an English-language term referring to political, advertising, or public relations campaigns that are formally planned by an organization, but designed to mask its origins to create the impression of being spontaneous, popular "grassroots" behavior. The term refers to AstroTurf, a brand of synthetic carpeting designed to look like natural grass.
The goal of such a campaign is to disguise the efforts of a political or commercial entity as an independent public reaction to some political entity—a politician, political group, product, service or event. Astroturfers attempt to orchestrate the actions of apparently diverse and geographically distributed individuals, by both overt ("outreach", "awareness", etc.) and covert (disinformation) means. Astroturfing may be undertaken by an individual pushing a personal agenda or highly organized professional groups with financial backing from large corporations, unions, non-profits, or activist organizations. Very often the efforts are conducted by political consultants who also specialize in opposition research. Beneficiaries are not "grass root" campaigners but distant organizations that orchestrate such campaigns."
There are many on this site that are "posing" as LSU fans, but are die-hard fans of other programs in actuality. Their sole mission is free information about recruiting and to promote anti-LSU or negtive opinions of LSU prospects.
The benefits to them are two fold: They hope that LSU prospects read their negative comments about them, the prospect thinks that "real" LSU fans are saying these things, and the prospect is turned off by the "negative posts" so that they either decommit from LSU or don't commit to LSU.
They also like to cast doubt on where LSU stand with recruits...they do this by providing rumors or just flat out lies about what a recruit's feelings are toward LSU and LSU's chances in signing or getting a verbal from that recruit.
This problem is getting worse now that the SEC board is very, very popular and other teams recruiting sites are so poor compared to TigerDroppings. Obviously, the success and quality of this board can be a double edge sword.
Beware!
seminar-posters
We are wise to your tricks and agenda...you're not fooling me.
"A seminar caller is someone who mainly telephones conservative radio talk shows for the purpose of astroturfing, which is the mass promotion of a particular product, service, or opposing political point of view as if it were genuinely spontaneous, or grassroots.
Many seminar callers try to portray themselves as regular people, claim to agree with the host's point of view, then begin to read a contrary opinion from an agenda or list of talking points widely circulated by a group or organization who oppose the views of the host.[1]
Seminar callers get their name from the seminars they attend to learn how to most effectively get their message on the air. However, faxes, e-mails and newsletters are more common modes of disseminating astroturf messages to seminar callers.
Before the 2004 U.S. presidential election, seminar callers began to tell more elaborate stories to establish credibility, behaving as if they were actors playing the role of someone with beliefs opposite of their own, in an attempt to erode the opposing candidate's "base" of political support.
The term "seminar caller" was most likely coined by conservative talk radio host Rush Limbaugh[2], but is in wide use among talk show hosts and audiences."
"Astroturfing is an English-language term referring to political, advertising, or public relations campaigns that are formally planned by an organization, but designed to mask its origins to create the impression of being spontaneous, popular "grassroots" behavior. The term refers to AstroTurf, a brand of synthetic carpeting designed to look like natural grass.
The goal of such a campaign is to disguise the efforts of a political or commercial entity as an independent public reaction to some political entity—a politician, political group, product, service or event. Astroturfers attempt to orchestrate the actions of apparently diverse and geographically distributed individuals, by both overt ("outreach", "awareness", etc.) and covert (disinformation) means. Astroturfing may be undertaken by an individual pushing a personal agenda or highly organized professional groups with financial backing from large corporations, unions, non-profits, or activist organizations. Very often the efforts are conducted by political consultants who also specialize in opposition research. Beneficiaries are not "grass root" campaigners but distant organizations that orchestrate such campaigns."
There are many on this site that are "posing" as LSU fans, but are die-hard fans of other programs in actuality. Their sole mission is free information about recruiting and to promote anti-LSU or negtive opinions of LSU prospects.
The benefits to them are two fold: They hope that LSU prospects read their negative comments about them, the prospect thinks that "real" LSU fans are saying these things, and the prospect is turned off by the "negative posts" so that they either decommit from LSU or don't commit to LSU.
They also like to cast doubt on where LSU stand with recruits...they do this by providing rumors or just flat out lies about what a recruit's feelings are toward LSU and LSU's chances in signing or getting a verbal from that recruit.
This problem is getting worse now that the SEC board is very, very popular and other teams recruiting sites are so poor compared to TigerDroppings. Obviously, the success and quality of this board can be a double edge sword.
Beware!
seminar-posters
We are wise to your tricks and agenda...you're not fooling me.
This post was edited on 4/17/10 at 4:40 am
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Posted on 4/17/10 at 3:35 am to Sonny G
Intersting POV and good read. thanks
Posted on 4/17/10 at 3:38 am to crowbar832001
Stressing wayyyy too much. You don't think this goes both ways?
Posted on 4/17/10 at 3:46 am to lynxcat
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Stressing wayyyy too much. You don't think this goes both ways?
I don't visit other team's recruiting sites very often, so I wouldn't know, but if you do, you would know. Although, I've visted just enough to know how good this board is.
And, you are a very reputable person from everything that I have read about you or that you have written, so I would take your word for it.
I'm not stressed out about it, but after reading alot of negativity by "LSU fans" regarding kids that I know are predisposed geographically (most want to stay in state, play for a great program, and do it where their parents can come to all thier home games) to have loyalty to LSU...2+2 does not equal 5.
Many of these kids/prospects are obvously div 1 talent and when "LSU fans" rag on them and/or their talent and the kid is high on LSU...it just simply does not make sense...
thus I know that a large percentage of them are Seminar-LSU recruiting fans...
my number of posts is not indicative as to how long I've been following recruiting or reading this site...
This post was edited on 4/17/10 at 4:08 am
Posted on 4/17/10 at 4:59 am to Sonny G
quote:
I don't visit other team's recruiting sites very often, so I wouldn't know, but if you do, you would know. Although, I've visted just enough to know how good this board is.
And, you are a very reputable person from everything that I have read about you or that you have written, so I would take your word for it.
I'm not stressed out about it, but after reading alot of negativity by "LSU fans" regarding kids that I know are predisposed geographically (most want to stay in state, play for a great program, and do it where their parents can come to all thier home games) to have loyalty to LSU...2+2 does not equal 5.
Many of these kids/prospects are obvously div 1 talent and when "LSU fans" rag on them and/or their talent and the kid is high on LSU...it just simply does not make sense...
thus I know that a large percentage of them are Seminar-LSU recruiting fans...
my number of posts is not indicative as to how long I've been following recruiting or reading this site...
I understand. I do not like to see the harsh criticism that flows from the boards at times, and I admit to be one of the people that sometimes does taken an opinionated stance. Only on the rare occasion do I voice it against a specific player, typically referring to disagreeing/questioning the methodology behind the players recruitment (i.e. the Houston Bates saga).
The main problems I have are when people who THINK they know a decent bit about recruiting, really don't have any clue about the process. Judging talent is quite subjective and while most can agree when a player is good or not, no one can be right all the time on a player's future success.
However, those who do follow it closely know the process of recruiting and all the different details that must be tied together to truly evaluate a program and a player.
If you ever see someone suspicious of the "Seminar-LSU fan" syndrome, please let me know because I would like to see how I would view the situation.
In all honesty, from those that regularly post on this board, I do not know many that I think would fall into this category. I do think there are trolls that randomly pop up, but they don't stick around for too long.
You would have a better case on a board like TSD, where guys like WPT and others have a record of bashing LSU and its tactics 80%+ of the time. Those are the ones that even I tend to raise an eyebrow about.
Posted on 4/17/10 at 6:47 am to Sonny G
quote:
Many seminar callers try to portray themselves as regular people, claim to agree with the host's point of view, then begin to read a contrary opinion from an agenda or list of talking points widely circulated by a group or organization who oppose the views of the host
no shite... you think they just answer any jerk off's call or text or email on the air?
Posted on 4/17/10 at 11:00 am to dgnx6
quote:
no shite... you think they just answer any jerk off's call or text or email on the air?
There are many who would love to discuss on the poly board...take it there. The point of this discussion is "seminar-posters" not "seminar-callers". Please don't high-jack my thread with a political debate.
Thank you...
Posted on 4/17/10 at 11:07 am to lynxcat
quote:
I understand. I do not like to see the harsh criticism that flows from the boards at times, and I admit to be one of the people that sometimes does taken an opinionated stance. Only on the rare occasion do I voice it against a specific player, typically referring to disagreeing/questioning the methodology behind the players recruitment (i.e. the Houston Bates saga).
The main problems I have are when people who THINK they know a decent bit about recruiting, really don't have any clue about the process. Judging talent is quite subjective and while most can agree when a player is good or not, no one can be right all the time on a player's future success.
However, those who do follow it closely know the process of recruiting and all the different details that must be tied together to truly evaluate a program and a player.
If you ever see someone suspicious of the "Seminar-LSU fan" syndrome, please let me know because I would like to see how I would view the situation.
In all honesty, from those that regularly post on this board, I do not know many that I think would fall into this category. I do think there are trolls that randomly pop up, but they don't stick around for too long.
You would have a better case on a board like TSD, where guys like WPT and others have a record of bashing LSU and its tactics 80%+ of the time. Those are the ones that even I tend to raise an eyebrow about.
Yes, Lynx, I agree that much of the negativity stems from disagreements as to talent level or just unhappy LSU fans with a negative attitude.
However, read the thread about Mickey Johnson. I'm not going to call out any one individual in the thread because it might be "ban" material against me (no need to get on the bad side of the admins). However, you read the thread and judge for yourself whom you think could be a "seminar-poster" or "troll" if you will. I'll leave it up to you to determine in your own mind.
This post was edited on 4/17/10 at 11:09 am
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